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I'm a CAL mechanic, and wondering. Are they shifting flying around between the two companies? I know Continental is supposed to start doing some more flights from ORD to some Florida destinations starting in February which sounds like when the regional flying is supposed to start in IAH (I may be wrong). If the block hours are the same for continental and no loss of work, is it really a Contract violation? That being said, it's still worth fighting the company for. If you give an inch they will take a mile.

Regards,
Brian
 
CRJ's suck said:
If the block hours are the same for continental and no loss of work, is it really a Contract violation? That being said, it's still worth fighting the company for. If you give an inch they will take a mile.

Regards,
Brian
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Our scope clause has nothing to do with block hours, it's really very simple AND black and white. Smisek is testing us, that's all- he has no idea the level of discontent he is throwing gas on.
 
EWR_FO said:
Our scope clause has nothing to do with block hours, it's really very simple AND black and white. Smisek is testing us, that's all- he has no idea the level of discontent he is throwing gas on.
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Thanks for the clarification. I hope alpa takes it to them then and puts a stop to it. It affects alot more jobs that just you guys. Hopefully alpa and the teamsters could work together on this. I would say good luck, but it sounds like a clear contract violation from what you're saying, so hopefully no "luck" will be involved.

Regards,
Brian
 
So assuming that this arbitration rules in favor of the CO pilots. Would the current UAX flying being done from DEN and ORD be in violation of scope? Why, or why not?
 
Morning Wood said:
So assuming that this arbitration rules in favor of the CO pilots. Would the current UAX flying being done from DEN and ORD be in violation of scope? Why, or why not?
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No because it is being done with UAL flight numbers, however it would fall under the Transition and Process Agreement that deals with block hours.

7-C. Flying Ratios. In each consecutive six (6) month period during separate operations beginning on the Merger Closing Date, the ratio of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by United to the aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by Continental, will equal or exceed ninety percent (90%) of the same ratio for the same six (6) month period during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010 (excluding United’s 737 scheduled aircraft block hours during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010). The applicable scheduled aircraft block hours for the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010 are shown in Attachment C. Aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by Continental Aircraft will not be included under this paragraph if:
(i) the aircraft are listed as on order or in storage on Attachment A; and (ii) the aircraft enter or return to active service after the Merger Agreement Date; and
(iii) the aircraft are in addition to the number of aircraft in service as listed on Attachment A.
Similarly, adjustments to scheduled block hours for the same schedule from one period to another (i.e., the same aircraft on the same routing) will not affect the calculation, and reasonable block hour reductions attributable to aircraft removed from active service for purposes of modification or painting related to the merger will not be considered in the numerator or denominator of a ratio under this paragraph. The Airline Parties will advise the Association of such reductions.
 
Morning Wood said:
I should have clarified....current UAX flying from DEN and ORD to/from IAH.
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That flying would be legal, as it's UAX flying out of UAL hubs. However, 70 seat jets flying out of CAL hubs to non-UAL hub cities is a violation of our scope clause.
 
Was there an injunction filed on this issue? The bottom line seems to be that UAL will go forward with this flying unless stopped through a legal process. People tend to act like they know what they are talking about on these forums but most of the time they really don't have all the information and just pick and choose or make stuff up to support their position. I guess we will all know the real outcome soon. Either the flying will proceed or it won't.

My hunch is that the flying will proceed just the way UAL plans.
 
Flyerdan said:
I think you get my point. I'm sure it will take time to paint aircraft, replace ID tags, etc. But the bottom line (legally at least) is that the CAL entity really no longer exists. Also, I am fairly sure the flights talked about on this thread will be United Express flights flown in aircraft painted with United Express paint jobs. I have yet to see one of our Skywest/United Express 700's painted with Continental Express colors and there is zero chance that they would be painted those colors now.

Seriously, I can understand the frustration the CAL pilots feel but I also think they must have seen these and other changes coming with the news of the merger. I wish you all the best and hopefully the merger will lead to a stronger company, growth for the pilots, and an agreement on scope that will work out well for everyone.
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We will do whatever is necessary to take back all the flying we can in house and stop the BS of outsourcing our flying to the regionals. Either we FIX the mistake or we SHUT it down.
 
Yuppyguppy said:
We will do whatever is necessary to take back all the flying we can in house and stop the BS of outsourcing our flying to the regionals. Either we FIX the mistake or we SHUT it down.
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And you expect us to support you taking away our job? Go ahead and "shut it down". I'll look good in that 777.
 
Flyerdan said:
I think you get my point. I'm sure it will take time to paint aircraft, replace ID tags, etc. But the bottom line (legally at least) is that the CAL entity really no longer exists. Also, I am fairly sure the flights talked about on this thread will be United Express flights flown in aircraft painted with United Express paint jobs. I have yet to see one of our Skywest/United Express 700's painted with Continental Express colors and there is zero chance that they would be painted those colors now.

Seriously, I can understand the frustration the CAL pilots feel but I also think they must have seen these and other changes coming with the news of the merger. I wish you all the best and hopefully the merger will lead to a stronger company, growth for the pilots, and an agreement on scope that will work out well for everyone.
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You are pure evil. I want to move up and out of the regionals, but you are content to fly in the minor leagues because you wre dumb enough not to use protection with your middle school sweetheart and you now have kids and can't afford to leave. Shame on you. Always use protection! Guys like you ruin this industry.
 
jbDC9 said:
Wow. Shall we go ahead then and pencil your name in on the Scab list then? Dooshbag.
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Just use a pen. It's the same list that many of these Continental pilots are on. They will be familiar with it. You try to take my job, and I will take your job.
 
ASADriver said:
Just use a pen. It's the same list that many of these Continental pilots are on. They will be familiar with it. You try to take my job, and I will take your job.
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But your job really is going away, whether you like it or not. I can't wait to get away from the regionals. What are you scared of? Probably the interview.
 
WOW this thread just died. I guess that means that it is still at status quo. Was there an injunction filed to stop this flying and if so any news on a ruling? So far all I've seen is some chest pounding from very junior CAL FO's but nothing of substance anywhere.

A couple of weeks ago it felt like maybe something was going to happen with this issue and then it just fizzled.
 
Flyerdan said:
WOW this thread just died. I guess that means that it is still at status quo. Was there an injunction filed to stop this flying and if so any news on a ruling? So far all I've seen is some chest pounding from very junior CAL FO's but nothing of substance anywhere.

A couple of weeks ago it felt like maybe something was going to happen with this issue and then it just fizzled.
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It's all going to expedited arbitration soon I believe. But, we all know that the new UAL CEO is trying to pull a fast one, bringing 70 seaters to CAL bases without a new contract or joint contract.
 
Just one battle in what could be a long war. Scope will not be bargained away. Scope is a huge issue and this is just a test to see how important it is to the CAL pilot group. I'd say 3 major picketing events along with an expidited arbitration hearing demonstrates the importance.

Trust me, this won't be the concession stand type negotiating that allowed the regionals to experience they growth witnessed over the last decade.
 
Flyerdan said:
WOW this thread just died. I guess that means that it is still at status quo. Was there an injunction filed to stop this flying and if so any news on a ruling? So far all I've seen is some chest pounding from very junior CAL FO's but nothing of substance anywhere.

A couple of weeks ago it felt like maybe something was going to happen with this issue and then it just fizzled.
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Arbitration starts on 12/15 with a decision no later than 12/30/10. This info is readily available for those with half a brain.
 

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