SkyWest IAH Base, What If ?

[ehaecker]

I sure don't have any answers. I wish I did. I, for one, and trying to avoid IAH like the plague. Will I quit my job if I get displaced there against my will? Absolutely not.

Yes, that earlier post was indeed from our system cp. I, and many other SKW pilots, are not amused. If we believed everything UAL's "legal department" said, we'd all be flying internationally for $0/hr pay. I saw it as more "feel good" crap from management in an effort to go over the heads of those who don't know any better.

Hasn't an injunction been filed? Aren't we all kind of in "limbo" until we hear something official from that?

 

[johnpeace]

Well, I don't know what to say. I don't want your family to do without. But that is no less than exactly what we have going on at CAL.

I'm not getting how it's the responsibility of the line pilots at Skywest to enforce a contract between CAL pilots and UAL management.

What does the CAL/UAL MEC say about it?

Why don't you go on strike or slow down work or grieve it or sue or whatever you need to do to protect your contract?

Pinning it on the pilots at Skywest seems pretty weak.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I'm not getting how it's the responsibility of the line pilots at Skywest to enforce a contract between CAL pilots and UAL management.

What does the CAL/UAL MEC say about it?

Why don't you go on strike or slow down work or grieve it or sue or whatever you need to do to protect your contract?

Pinning it on the pilots at Skywest seems pretty weak.

Why don't Skywest pilots tell their management that they will not fly that work until a resolution between CAL/UAL and their pilots has been reached? After all, it could really hurt your career progression if you are blacklisted etc... What looks better on a resume, flew contractually violated work at CAL/UAL when applying to an ALPA carrier such as the new UAL or DAL, or, I was terminated for not violating your contract???

Yogi

Yogi

 

[MikeSF340]

Why don't Skywest pilots tell their management that they will not fly that work until a resolution between CAL/UAL and their pilots has been reached? After all, it could really hurt your career progression if you are blacklisted etc... What looks better on a resume, flew contractually violated work at CAL/UAL when applying to an ALPA carrier such as the new UAL or DAL, or, I was terminated for not violating your contract???

Yogi

Are you serious? I have NO love for the Skywest pilots, but get a clue and grow some balls! If the Continental scope clause is being violated then it is THEIR job to fix it. I wouldn't tell a Skywest pilot to get fired and put his family in jeopardy because whoever wrote the scope clause in the Continental contract was an idiot and didn't cover all the contingencies. This is not struck work!!!! Every CAL captain has control over his/her parking break. If they want something fixed why don't they take care of their own house? This is like asking your little sister to go to a fight for you. Embarrassing!!!

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Flopgut, I'll ask it again....Do you hold the same contempt and disdain for your fellow CAL pilots that sit in the seat next to you that disregarded EAL's lawful CONTRACTS and SCOPE? What did your fellow airmen do when EAL's planes, routes, and gates were transferred to CAL? What did your fellow pilots do when new bases opened up as a result of this? I sure hope you bring these things up and express your displeasure with their actions. The CAL pilots actions didn't exactly advance the pilot profession.

You have a hell of a good point. And yes, nobody gives them a meaningful break. They will continue to get drug through the mud forever. What is interesting is that many of them ask the same question about the current situation. Pilots have to be consistent.

 

[Homer Jay]

Why don't Skywest pilots tell their management that they will not fly that work until a resolution between CAL/UAL and their pilots has been reached? After all, it could really hurt your career progression if you are blacklisted etc... What looks better on a resume, flew contractually violated work at CAL/UAL when applying to an ALPA carrier such as the new UAL or DAL, or, I was terminated for not violating your contract???

Yogi

Are you serious? I have NO love for the Skywest pilots, but get a clue and grow some balls! If the Continental scope clause is being violated then it is THEIR job to fix it. I wouldn't tell a Skywest pilot to get fired and put his family in jeopardy because whoever wrote the scope clause in the Continental contract was an idiot and didn't cover all the contingencies. This is not struck work!!!! Every CAL captain has control over his/her parking break. If they want something fixed why don't they take care of their own house? This is like asking your little sister to go to a fight for you. Embarrassing!!!

Our scope clause was written by the best in the business. There is no loop hole and it IS illegal flying. Smisedick is testing us.

 

[Flopgut]

I'm not getting how it's the responsibility of the line pilots at Skywest to enforce a contract between CAL pilots and UAL management.

What does the CAL/UAL MEC say about it?

Why don't you go on strike or slow down work or grieve it or sue or whatever you need to do to protect your contract?

Pinning it on the pilots at Skywest seems pretty weak.

Both parties are going into expedited arbitration and we should have a ruling before the flying starts. Problem is I think mgt intends to go ahead with it even if we win. There is a LOT of work being done. It's not being "pinned" on Skywest or whoever. But we do believe you owe us some regard for our contract.

Months ago CAL mgt (they are the ones running UAL now) said our scope clause would cost 400 million in wage increases, or 200 million to fight. Since the company just made about a billion in one quarter, they don't mind burning 200 million. And they don't care if you get caught up in the middle of it. You choose to do whatever you choose to do. If it's not possible for you to give a sh1t about our contract then so be it. I say what I say so there is at least some info out there and you are informed.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Are you serious? I have NO love for the Skywest pilots, but get a clue and grow some balls! If the Continental scope clause is being violated then it is THEIR job to fix it. I wouldn't tell a Skywest pilot to get fired and put his family in jeopardy because whoever wrote the scope clause in the Continental contract was an idiot and didn't cover all the contingencies. This is not struck work!!!! Every CAL captain has control over his/her parking break. If they want something fixed why don't they take care of their own house? This is like asking your little sister to go to a fight for you. Embarrassing!!!

If managements get pressure from all sides, the outcome may actually work out better. But if you are not willing to stand up, you are showing that you don't care about SCOPE!

Just got off the phone with a buddy from SWAPA(yes, SWA) and he said they are watching this very closely. Look for a statement by them soon! He states, if CAL wins arbitration, and management goes ahead anyway, it would be a really bad deal to fly that work... He said, what happens to the Skywest feed for Airtran, this would have to disappear once the acquisition is made as SWA has severe restrictions on outsourcing. If they go ahead and keep flying that work... Beware the career progression, BEWARE!!!

Yogi

 

[ehaecker]

I don't "not give a sh1t about your contract", I just fail to see how it is OUR responsibility, as SKW pilots, to uphold it. Don't take that the wrong way though. Like I've been saying all along, I don't agree with the flying, and I am trying to avoid it (not that I have much choice if I get displaced or TDY'ed).

I wish I could refuse do do any of this flying, but I don't have much of a choice unless I am willing to put my job at stake, which I am not willing to do. They will just replace me with a new-hire UAL furloughee. When they run out, they will just be replaced by the thousands of Riddle kids with SJS.

The best way to work through this is by legal means, not bullying and blacklisting.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I don't "not give a sh1t about your contract", I just fail to see how it is OUR responsibility, as SKW pilots, to uphold it. Don't take that the wrong way though. Like I've been saying all along, I don't agree with the flying, and I am trying to avoid it (not that I have much choice if I get displaced or TDY'ed).

I wish I could refuse do do any of this flying, but I don't have much of a choice unless I am willing to put my job at stake, which I am not willing to do. They will just replace me with a new-hire UAL furloughee. When they run out, they will just be replaced by the thousands of Riddle kids with SJS.

The best way to work through this is by legal means, not bullying and blacklisting.

You can write SAPA, your cp, and your upper management. You can state your position and strongly urge that this is not a good position for you, the Skywest pilot, to be in. If enough of you help on your side, it may make a difference. But, you are not willing to do that, so all I can say is Karma is a funny thing! Respect is earned! We are surely battling it from our side...

Yogi

 

[ehaecker]

You can write SAPA, your cp, and your upper management. You can state your position and strongly urge that this is not a good position for you, the Skywest pilot, to be in. If enough of you help on your side, it may make a difference. But, you are not willing to do that, so all I can say is Karma is a funny thing! Respect is earned! We are surely battling it from our side...

Yogi

How do you know that??

Funny that "karma" only works in your favor. Where is the karma for me when I am wrongly blacklisted just because I work for SKW?

This is what worries me. You guys are willing to blacklist all SKW pilots, even though the vast majority of us are AGAINST this flying!!

 

[ehaecker]

BTW, SAPA, and management are well aware of my position!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

BTW, SAPA, and management are well aware of my position!

Thank you! That is the first time you have said this. All of your previous posts have insinuated that it is 'not your problem or responsibility to do so'.

Yogi

 

[ehaecker]

I guess I can see that. I should have mentioned that earlier. I assumed that it went without saying since my position about this flying is pretty clear. I've been very active in sharing my concerns with other, unaware, pilots here at SKW as well as voicing my concerns to SAPA. Obviously our concerns have been heard by management, since they put out that piss poor memo about the flying being "perfectly legal, etc...".

This is what I mean by "working together". Like I've been saying, CAL pilots can't expect much support as long as they are threatening our careers. You guys have my full support, but if I find myself on any kind of "list" in a negative way, just because of my employer, I won't be as inclined to support YOUR cause.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

BTW, the jumpseat coordinator from Skywest is at CALALPA in IAH right now, requesting that we come to a resolution. If the jumpseat is shut down, it would be the entire UAL and CAL system, as it is one company now. The real fear is that it doesn't happen with ALL ALPA carriers!

Yogi

 

[ehaecker]

I'd assume that since ALPA doen't support the use of the jumpseat as a political tool, that is not likely to happen.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I'd assume that since ALPA doen't support the use of the jumpseat as a political tool, that is not likely to happen.

I hope not, I am a commuter, I do not support a J/S war...

Yogi

 

[ehaecker]

I hope it doesn't happen. I'm no longer a commuter (as long as I don't get displaced), but I can sure sympathize with any commuters this might effect.

 

[kj6991]

I can't believe people think we are actually excited about doing this flying (aside from the occasional few guys that live in the Houston/surrounding areas)..

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I'd assume that since ALPA doen't support the use of the jumpseat as a political tool, that is not likely to happen.

Just spoke with my rep. He stated that the bylaw is for union carrier to union carrier. FWIW

Yogi