SkyWest IAH Base, What If ?

[CFIT]

Well, what is Skywest sick call policy? My understanding is that out of the three Inc companies, Skywest airlines has the most liberal sick call policy. Whatever it is, you can safely assume it wouldn't be worse in a union contract.



Like I said, no one has explained to me why the difference between shuttle America and Skywest. The only difference I see is that Skywest has turned down unionization on three separate occasions. Maybe the CAL MEC are in communication with the duly certified agent of the shuttle America pilots and have come to some sort of behind the doors gentleman agreement? I dont know, just guessing.

First of all, there is no gaurantee that our sick leave policy would remain the same after voting in a union, it could just as easily get worse.

Second, there have been 4 union votes at SkyWest, but I'm sure the next one will go ALPO, hopefully in house.

Finally, if the CAL MEC is letting Shuttle lift by some "gentlemen's agreement then then ALPO is corrupt, again hoping for an in house shop.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

First of all, there is no gaurantee that our sick leave policy would remain the same after voting in a union, it could just as easily get worse.

Second, there have been 4 union votes at SkyWest, but I'm sure the next one will go ALPO, hopefully in house.

Finally, if the CAL MEC is letting Shuttle lift by some "gentlemen's agreement then then ALPO is corrupt, again hoping for an in house shop.

Re: Second...How can you be so certain?

 

[nimtz]

No, but you're still waiting for an answer along with all the others who have pointed out the disparity in treatment, threats, intimidation, etc., directed at Skywest pilots when compared to Republic pilots. Is there a double standard out there? Why?

Maybe it's because Uncle Jerry is so giddy he's opening a base in IAH ASAP? Maybe it's because a vast majority of the new 'large RJ' operation will be done by Skywest? Quite frankly this is all noise until the arbitrator weighs in.

The process is quite simple young grasshopper. We go to arbitrator to defend our scope. Decision comes before Jan 1. If we lose, we lose and the battle goes to the contract. Have a great time flying that shiny big jet to the garden spots of IAH and EWR.

If we win there are two options:
1) Sismek blinks and cancels plans
2) Sismek says screw it sue me and moves forward

If we win my money is on option 2 being the likely course. At which point I don't give a flying **** if you belong to NAMBLA or The Shiners, SA and Skywest pilots would be violating what was fought and won in abitration. Union or not won't matter, you will be scum either way in that scenario...

 

[Nevets]

First of all, there is no gaurantee that our sick leave policy would remain the same after voting in a union, it could just as easily get worse.

Second, there have been 4 union votes at SkyWest, but I'm sure the next one will go ALPO, hopefully in house.

Finally, if the CAL MEC is letting Shuttle lift by some "gentlemen's agreement then then ALPO is corrupt, again hoping for an in house shop.

Point being, you would no longer be an at-will employee even with a strict sick call policy such as XJT's. The gentlemen's agreement is just some made up guess on my part. I have absolutely no idea why the difference other than the obvious union versus non-union.

 

[BID]

Arbitrators paid for by big business. In this case, I believe Continental Airlines. I fear, but am hopeful of the outcome.

 

[vtech]

Maybe it's because Uncle Jerry is so giddy he's opening a base in IAH ASAP? Maybe it's because a vast majority of the new 'large RJ' operation will be done by Skywest? Quite frankly this is all noise until the arbitrator weighs in.

The process is quite simple young grasshopper. We go to arbitrator to defend our scope. Decision comes before Jan 1. If we lose, we lose and the battle goes to the contract. Have a great time flying that shiny big jet to the garden spots of IAH and EWR.

If we win there are two options:
1) Sismek blinks and cancels plans
2) Sismek says screw it sue me and moves forward

If we win my money is on option 2 being the likely course. At which point I don't give a flying **** if you belong to NAMBLA or The Shiners, SA and Skywest pilots would be violating what was fought and won in abitration. Union or not won't matter, you will be scum either way in that scenario...

All Noise.

No response to the question, "Why the disparity between Skywest and Republic?" Just more spewing of misdirected hostility.

What would the Republic pilots be? Would they be scum too?

 

[nimtz]

All Noise.

No response to the question, "Why the disparity between Skywest and Republic?" Just more spewing of misdirected hostility.

What would the Republic pilots be? Would they be scum too?

*back to post for answer*

"If we win there are two options:
1) Sismek blinks and cancels plans
2) Sismek says screw it sue me and moves forward

If we win my money is on option 2 being the likely course. At which point I don't give a flying **** if you belong to NAMBLA or The Shiners, SA and Skywest pilots would be violating what was fought and won in arbitration.Union or not won't matter, you will be scum either way in that scenario..."

Look I'm not one wielding a pitchfork about this right now. I certainly do not support a jumpseat war. All this bomb throwing is a waste of bandwidth until the arbitration ruling.

I'm terribly sorry you feel so threatened by a few nasty words that have been thrown around the internet and by a hot headed (literally) union rep. As far as I'm concerned, both SA and Skywest have equally played a role in helping to gut this career in the last decade. There is that better!?!

 

[vtech]

I'm not threatened by anything you've written. I'm just trying to figure out the misdirected hostility.

What role did mainline legacy pilots decision to bargain away jobs which were going to be performed by some pilots somewhere have to do with the career being gutted in the last decade? If you want to call the pilots who took those bargained away jobs "scum," that's OK. But you ought to at least acknowledge that those jobs would not have existed if the mainline legacy pilots hadn't bargained them away.

You calling those pilots "scum" says way more about you than it does them.

You have a nice day.

 

[nimtz]

I'm not threatened by anything you've written. I'm just trying to figure out the misdirected hostility.

What role did mainline legacy pilots decision to bargain away jobs which were going to be performed by some pilots somewhere have to do with the career being gutted in the last decade? If you want to call the pilots who took those bargained away jobs "scum," that's OK. But you ought to at least acknowledge that those jobs would not have existed if the mainline legacy pilots hadn't bargained them away.

You calling those pilots "scum" says way more about you than it does them.

You have a nice day.

Any pilot that agrees to go to do the flying if CALALPA wins abitration becomes the before mentioned scum. In my book they will be no different then the Freedom Air heroes of yesteryear. This issue is not about the last decade. It is about an enforceable scope clause being broken. I'm deeply sorry you think I called you scum. If the arbitrator goes with ALPA don't become scum, okay?

Uncle Jerry told you guys as far as he knew the IAH flying is legit and legal. If the arbitrator says otherwise, then your pilot group should have the balls to explain to Uncle Jerry he was mistaken and refuse to do the flying. If it is flown and the excuse is 'what are we supposed to do we have no recourse' do you expect me to accept that?

 

[ehaecker]

I've heard about the J/S issue as well. AFAIK, SKW called the CAL CP, and had positive space approved and the SKW guys got to where they were going anyway.

As far as guys doing this flying becoming "scum"....what about the junior guys that are FORCED to do it, should it come to that? Are they scum too? I can understand the hostility towards the guys that voluntarily BID to go ti IAH...but what about everybody else? The way SKW works, crew members from nearly EVERY base flow through multiple bases in any given 4-day trip. Say someone makes every effort to stay away from IAH, but is on reserve in say, ORD (vs holding a line in IAH). Said person gets called out on a trip that starts and ends in ORD, but flows through IAH on days 2 and 3. Are they scum, too? Where do you draw the line?

I'd sure like to know, so that I can at least know at what point I become scum even though it is completely out of my hands. Thanks.

 

[FSIGRAD]

Has 1 CAL passenger flown on a Skywest or SA 70 seat airplane?

No. I would save your ammunition for the actual battle.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Until the CAL pilots stop denying SKYW pilots the jumpseat, there will be no CAL pilot on my ASA jumpseat....I know of other ASA pilots that are joining me...Bad move....

 

[AWACoff]

until the cal pilots stop denying skyw pilots the jumpseat, there will be no cal pilot on my asa jumpseat....i know of other asa pilots that are joining me...bad move....

lol! Lol!

 

[BID]

Until the CAL pilots stop denying SKYW pilots the jumpseat, there will be no CAL pilot on my ASA jumpseat....I know of other ASA pilots that are joining me...Bad move....

If management loses this case, how will these pilots who bid Houston look? Not too good in my book.

This is a huge case for all pilots, can't you regional guys understand that? Put your ego aside, and think about that. This is a big step in stopping outsourcing and cheap labor. I am not going to argue how we got here, but I will fight when it comes to the violation of our contract.

With regards to jumpseat denial. I only know of only one case. I have yet to fly with a captain that will deny the jumpseat. I must say, it would be weird having a SkyWest guy sit up front who is about to go violate your contract. ... This individual has just made negotiating a contract all the more difficult. Isn't that what we want the new United to have? An industry leading contract. I believe this will benefit all pilots regional and mainline.

 

[BID]

easy on the profanity there junior.

you might not believe it's SkyWest's fault, others believe biding that flying is a mistake and not right.

 

[Dubya]

easy on the profanity there junior.

you might not believe it's SkyWest's fault, others believe biding that flying is a mistake and not right.

Junior? Ha! Thanks! Okay, i'll say goshdarnit and shucksiedarn and friggin'. My grandpa was a sailor.

There's two "d's" in "bidding".

Stop trying to put this off on Skywest pilots. Seriously. It's so goshdarn friggin' unbelieveably lame. Their company opens up a base that's closer to home or family, what the flock do you expect them to do? Would you rather they let junior Skywest pilots be dragged displaced from home to fill that base? I mean, I get it, you look down from your giant 737 on regional pukes now, but put yourself in their shoes. It looks like you were there once too?

Judas H. Titty Flopping Priest! It's your flipping contract! Fix it yourselves!

 

[BID]

Junior? Ha! Thanks! Okay, i'll say goshdarnit and shucksiedarn and friggin'. My grandpa was a sailor.

There's two "d's" in "bidding".

Stop trying to put this off on Skywest pilots. Seriously. It's so goshdarn friggin' unbelieveably lame. Their company opens up a base that's closer to home or family, what the flock do you expect them to do? Would you rather they let junior Skywest pilots be dragged displaced from home to fill that base? I mean, I get it, you look down from your giant 737 on regional pukes now, but put yourself in their shoes. It looks like you were there once too?

Judas H. Titty Flopping Priest! It's your flipping contract! Fix it yourselves!

I would not bid IAH. Here is what is lame, a non-union airline coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage. We are trying to fix this mess, and those that have bid IAH are NOT helping. Now if we lose this arbitration then so be it. Consequence of a merger? I guess so, it will be a big lose for labor and a big lose for CAL pilots. Especially, since unlike other ALPA carriers we never gave in on scope. We never sold scope. But if the arbitrator decides that due to the the merger, we have no contract violation then the, "Hail Mary," from management will have paid off. If this happens, we all lose, even your beloved SkyWest.

The 737 is not that much bigger or higher than a regional jet. The ego here is from you not me. I look down at no one and most at CAL are just trying to regain what has been lost in this industry.

 

[Dubya]

I would not bid IAH. Here is what is lame, a non-union airline coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage. We are trying to fix this mess, and those that have bid IAH are NOT helping. Now if we lose this arbitration then so be it. Consequence of a merger? I guess so, it will be a big lose for labor and a big lose for CAL pilots. Especially, since unlike other ALPA carriers we never gave in on scope. We never sold scope. But if the arbitrator decides that due to the the merger, we have no contract violation then the, "Hail Mary," from management will have paid off. If this happens, we all lose, even your beloved SkyWest.

The 737 is not that much bigger or higher than a regional jet. The ego here is from you not me. I look down at no one and most at CAL are just trying to regain what has been lost in this industry.

You aren't paying close attention BID. Skywest pilots have no control over what United and Skywest management do. CAL pilots hold the ultimate nuke. WALK OUT. I am on CAL pilots' side. I want the flying to go to mainline. What i'm sick of is major airline pilots, WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, trying to pawn off their own fight to regional pilots. It's unprofessional, and, speaking of childish and juvenile, it's like blaming the JV team when the Varsity can't hack it. What the flock do they have to do with it? NOTHING. So I should give up my job and the only carreer path available to a pilot to protect YOUR CONTRACT?? Seriously?

EVERY single Skywest pilot that bid IAH had to do so because the company put it out before the issue was resolved. Should they have forced junior pilots to uproot and go? Should they have waited til' CAL pilots strike? CAL pilots will roll over for some extra scraps or perhaps nothing at all. Watch. Make me eat crow. Please. I have extra spicy BBQ sauce saved up.

 

[captain822]

I hope I'm wrong on this, but I'm willing to bet that Continental pilots will be willing to relax the scope with a 15-20% pay raise. Here's my rationale. Looking at the top of the payscale, they are the highest paid legacy pilots. A quick look at Airline Pilots Central and some simple math reveals:

Continental: $193 x 72 hours guarantee = $13896
Delta: $209 x 65 hours guarantee = $13585
Hawaiian: $180 x 75 hours guarantee = $13500
United: $190 x 70 hours guarantee = $13300
Alaska: $175 x 75 hours guarantee = $13125
American: $205 x 64 hours guarantee = $13120
Usair: $160 x 72 hours guarantee = $11520

I know there are other factors to consider, like retirement and other benefits, but I don't think it would take much for the pilots to accept Southwest rates ($210 x 78 hours guarantee = $16380) i.e. 15% raise. I think 20% would do it.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'd rather be at Continental than fly their routes on an RJ.

 

[clr4theapch]

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