Skywest announces IAH and MSP bases.

[General Lee]

WTF is up with this synergy crap? Everyone has been using this word lately. Half probably don't even know what it means. Everytime I heary synergy I want to puke.

Synergy , in general, may be defined as two or more agents working together to produce a result not obtainable by any of the agents independently (Wikipedia)


Hey PALS, HOPE YOUR DAY IS GOING GREAT. Anyways, the definition above states the obvious when it comes to a good merger, making one airline out of two, and making a better one. USAir hasn't achieved that, because they can't put the two pilot groups together. Putting two reservation systems together may produce a superior one. Putting two route maps with strengths all their own (strong in Asia and strong in Europe) will probably produce a very strong Airline. The same goes with employee groups---and I stated before some airlines may never get that particular synergy, which would make them even tougher to beat.

Regardless, I think ALL OF YOU ARE ABSOTUTELY FANTASTIC. Really suave and sophisticated CATS. And, if you have time tonight, try to do something great for someone, like telling an old, single flight attendant that it is normal to have 7 cats in your 800 sqft condo. See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Russ]

I have two investment condo's General, so I might actually go and check for cats. Hate the dern things.

 

[ePilot22]

THANKS FOR THAT DUDE. YOU'RE COMPLETELY AWESOME. Anyways....I actually do know some great restaurants in Paris, and every other major city in Europe. It really is fun to fly to those places, more like a mini-vacation actually. Do you know of any good cheap burger joints in small Colorado towns? I bet you do, sport. Good for you. And, your seat on a 75/76 is most likely to be my old seat because I'm too old and senile to be flying it. Hey, I just call it like I see it, sorry.

Regardless, ALL OF YOU ARE FANTASTIC PEOPLE. REALLY COOL. And if you have time tonight, please, please, try to make someone feel good or happy, like telling me I'm actually cool, and not allowing me to look at myself in the mirror. I may actually realize I'm a tall ugly redhead mother ********************er. See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ah, jenny, don't be so hard on yourself. And don't worry, I'll fly that 75/76 better than you ever could have.



eP.

 

[ePilot22]

Yeah, you RJ guys are KINGS of Scope. Ask the Comair guys how that worked out. They went for pay, and forgot about Scope. Tell me one Regional that has it's own scope? I don't think you can, and YOU KNEW THAT. Have a great one, sport!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Tell me one old ass airline pilot that has any reading comprehension.


Make sure you treat my PAXs well until I get there! In the mean time GTFOOMSOM!!!





eP.

 

[General Lee]

Amid all the rhetoric from the unions and individual pilots who make up the unions, I've yet to see any reason to be nervous.

Talk is cheap.

I understand the purpose of ALPA posturing over scope at the new UAL and elsewhere, so does most everyone in management. Hopefully General you'll spend the extra Delta dollars in your paycheck wisely, a restored GTO would be my suggestion. The extra pay being the consolation over the loss of scope.

As far as regional's not having scope, not sure what facet of it you're referencing, but I believe Expressjet had some stipulations that had to be (or perhaps still need to be) addressed before SkyWest INC completes the buy.

Russ,

Hey old pal, hope you are doing AWESOME. Anyways, you haven't seen the parking of RJs lately? You haven't seen your 1% payraise offer from your CEO? You haven't seen the news about your MKE hubs probably going away? You haven't seen the analysis from most analysts showing RJs can't be profitable when oil is this high (in the $70s or $80s)? You haven't seen consolidation in this regional industry to try to get rid of the competitors? Do you really feel that all the UAL's and CAL's MECs talk is just rhetoric? The unions and the managment have just started the negotiations, and it sure doesn't seem like the unions have accepted anything. Management is trying to pull a fast one (using 70 seat jets in former CAL hubs), but that has been pointed out and a response is forthcoming, which was evident in the CAL MEC memo already posted.

The whole point of this post is this, YOUR GLORY DAYS MAY BE OVER. The RJs are a dying breed, and Regional CEOs are scrambling to try to get any feed they can, even though Mesa comes out of BK with an even lower going rate than before, taking that flying away from YOU GUYS at SKW. (I remember a thread all about SKW taking the US RJ flying at PHX) Undercutting will only get worse, and your next raise offer may be .5% if you are lucky. But hey, you obviously don't think there is anything to be worried about.............everything is great in your mind.....nothing will go wrong.......Idaho Falls is a great town........SKW will take care of you.....yada yada yada....YOU ARE IN THE CROSS HAIRS. Get used to it. The mainline pilots will not give up, and they have leverage this time. It will make or break a big merger. How is the USAir merger going anyway?? That's right, YOU DON'T CARE, yet. The word describing you tonight is BRAVADO. Here is the definition from Wikipedia:

bra·vado
noun
pretended courage or defiant confidence when one is really afraid




Regardless though, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IS FANTASTIC. REALLY. TOP OF THE CLASS IN A CLASS FULL OF OUTSTANDING PEEPS. And, if you have time tonight, PLEASE, do something nice for someone or something, like telling your prostitute neighbor that she actually smells nice for a change. See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Tell me one old ass airline pilot that has any reading comprehension.


Make sure you treat my PAXs well until I get there! In the mean time GTFOOMSOM!!!





eP.

PURE GENIUS. WOW, I am sure you will get far, if you actually do ever get an interview anywhere, and somehow pass it. Good luck with that, sport.......(not gonna happen) Hey, in the meantime, try to enjoy Vernal, UT on that Beech. I bet you do like those Motel 6's. Why are you scratching yourself all over? Oh, I know why. Enjoy that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I have two investment condo's General, so I might actually go and check for cats. Hate the dern things.

That's great. You may need that extra income eventually.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ePilot22]

Regardless though, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IS FANTASTIC. REALLY. TOP OF THE CLASS IN A CLASS FULL OF OUTSTANDING PEEPS. And, if you have time tonight, PLEASE, do something nice for someone or something, like telling your prostitute neighbor that she actually smells nice for a change. See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee

You smell nice for a change.

I figured I had time tonight.




eP.

 

[General Lee]

You smell nice for a change.

I figured I had time tonight.




VD.

Wait, so you can smell through a computer? You can? Wow. I bet you do a lot with your computer. Enjoy that! Maybe someday you will have the courage to leave your Mom's basement and actually talk to a girl. Wait, nah, that probably won't happen. Oh well, your keyboard sure does think you are good looking. You have that going for you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ePilot22]

Wait, so you can smell through a computer? You can? Wow. I bet you do a lot with your computer. Enjoy that! Maybe someday you will have the courage to leave your Mom's basement and actually talk to a girl. Wait, nah, that probably won't happen. Oh well, your keyboard sure does think you are good looking. You have that going for you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

This post, ladies and gentleman, from someone with 14,357 posts! :laugh:


Have a good night, buddy.



vD.

 

[General Lee]

This post, ladies and gentleman, from someone with 14,357 posts! :laugh:


Have a good night, buddy.



vD.

Another GENIUS retort. Anyways, here is an article that you will like. If the Government starts to link Regional saftey performance to Mainline performance, and lawyers can tie the two together, it will be the end of Regionals as we know it. One crash could sink a major if that was the case. Insurance would be so high that the regionals would be dumped like tomorrow's garbage. Sad but true. Enjoy my friends! Have a great night vD!





Airline Passengers Fail to Realize Some Trips Flown by Partners

By John Hughes - Oct 26, 2010

U.S. airline passengers buy tickets from carriers such as Continental Airlines without realizing their flight may be aboard regional partners that are being scrutinized for safety practices, a safety board was told.

A document confirming a flight for Elly Kausner, who died when a regional carrier’s plane crashed near Buffalo, New York, last year, thanked her for flying Continental, her father, John, said at a National Transportation Safety Board hearing today.

The document “says nothing about Colgan Air,” the unit of Pinnacle Airlines Corp. that flew the fatal fight on behalf of Continental, John Kausner said.

Kausner was among the witnesses as the NTSB examines the business relationships between airlines and their smaller partners, and what the airlines and federal regulators are doing to ensure all types of airlines are held to safety standards.

“This myriad of relationships can be confusing to the traveling public,” NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said on the first day of hearings. “We need to know more, and the public needs to know more.”

Passengers may check in at an airport ticket counter run by Delta Air Lines Inc. or United Continental Holdings Inc. and see those carriers’ names painted on planes, only to realize later the flights are made by Comair or Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., Hersman said.

Safety practices at regional carriers, which account for about half of all scheduled U.S. passenger flights, have been under scrutiny by the Federal Aviation Administration, Congress and the NTSB following the Colgan crash that killed 50 people.

Six Fatal Crashes

The carriers have been involved in the last six commercial airline accidents with fatalities on board, the Transportation Department’s inspector general, Calvin Scovel, said in testimony in June 2009.

Regional carriers and their partners must meet identical safety regulations and there “absolutely” is one level of safety in the industry, Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association, a Washington trade group for the small airlines, told the NTSB.

“Safety is the No. 1 concern,” Cohen said. It would be “crummy business” for any airline to do anything to compromise safety.

Kevin Mitchell, chairman of the Business Travel Coalition, presented survey results today showing two-thirds of corporate travel managers report fliers saying safety differences exist between large airlines and smaller partners.

About eight in 10 of those fliers avoid turboprop aircraft, according to Mitchell, whose group is based in Radnor, Pennsylvania. He said he surveyed 212 travel managers, agents and other professionals from Oct. 14 through Oct. 22.

‘Much Higher Airfares’

“A majority of corporations indicate that they would be willing to pay much higher airfares in return for higher safety standards at the regional airlines,” Mitchell said in his survey findings.

Airlines should be responsible for ensuring that pilots at their regional partners meet all the same experience and training requirements of the big carrier, Kausner told the board.

The two pilots who flew the Colgan plane to Buffalo “could not have flown for Continental, they weren’t qualified,” he said at a news conference with about 25 relatives of people who died in the crash.

The NTSB said in February that Captain Marvin Renslow of Colgan caused his plane to crash by incorrectly responding to a cockpit stall warning. Everyone aboard the plane died, along with one person on the ground.



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[BID]

I am really surprised at all the back lash from the regional guys. Many of my friends at various regional airlines hope we cap or even better, recapture the regional market. It can be done, if the numbers are right.

I have seen many on here claim they just fly where management tells them. True, very true. We can't control that and it should not be a personal issue. It's business. Regardless of how the scope relief occurred, it's business. I hope everyone has a similar attitude when that flying comes back to mainline ! It's just business.

The new United is a large airline, but guess what, it's only slightly bigger than the United of 1998. SkyWest on the other hand, is up to approx 2800 pilots. What is the average pay of a SkyWest pilot ? I can't imagine it being more than 78 bucks an hour or so.

Anyway, I'm thinking out loud here, but once again, I am surprised how many regional guys are freaking out about the possibility of losing their flying.

 

[Flopgut]

I can't believe the number of pilots on this thread that aren't interested in seeing CAL mgt forced to abide by contracts throughout the brand. XJT and CAL. The CBA violations are worse right now than what mgt did under force majure 9 years ago. Not only are the CAL contracts fully in force, but the transition and process agreement on the CAL side. This Skywest flying in CAL bases is a blatant, flagrant violation. Period. ALPA is not trying to put regional pilots out of a job by drawing a line on this specific issue. That base, those positions are in NO WAY anyones jobs but CAL or XJT. Who doesn't see that?! This isn't a regional vs. Major type issue. There isn't a better regional than XJT at setting the bar on contracts, and the XJT contract is getting trashed just the same. I can't understand a regional pilot who would not want to see the XJT contract abided by.

This could be the tipping point. A work action that results from this will mean that any pilot who flies the work is a scab. ALPA members will be assessed to pay the striking workers strike pay. Everybody plan accordingly. Get ready to expand your scab list and budget for the assessments.

 

[johnpeace]

ALPA members will be assessed to pay the striking workers strike pay.

How's that for a knife in the back?

I could get taxed by ALPA so my pay can go to a mainline pilot who is striking over the desire to put me out of work.

That's freaking great.

 

[Lear70]

Moderator Reviewed:

Responding to personal attacks with personal attacks, while frowned upon in general, is certainly within the realm of acceptable behavior as long as it doesn't violate the ToS.

So whoever attacked the General first is actually responsible for the General's response. He has, as of late, been very tame with his posts, and stays within the ToS. Note: the original person who called out the General is NOT the person who reported the post.

Please report posts only for actual ToS violations. We *DO* appreciate reported posts as there is just too many for the few mods we have to read EVERY thread, so the help from the membership is appreciated, and I know he may irritate some of you, BUT... please limit your reporting for actual TOS violations. You can always put him on your "ignore" list if his posting style gets to be too much. Most of us just realize he's having a little fun with people and we just ignore him when it gets "too deep".

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[Lear70]

Moderator Reviewed:

Responding to personal attacks with personal attacks, while frowned upon in general, is certainly within the realm of acceptable behavior as long as it doesn't violate the ToS.

So whoever attacked the General first is actually responsible for the General's response. He has, as of late, been very tame with his posts, and stays within the ToS. Note: the original person who called out the General is NOT the person who reported the post.

Please report posts only for actual ToS violations. We *DO* appreciate reported posts as there is just too many for the few mods we have to read EVERY thread, so the help from the membership is appreciated, and I know he may irritate some of you, BUT... please limit your reporting for actual TOS violations. You can always put him on your "ignore" list if his posting style gets to be too much. Most of us just realize he's having a little fun with people and we just ignore him when it gets "too deep".

/mod

 

[Flopgut]

How's that for a knife in the back?

I could get taxed by ALPA so my pay can go to a mainline pilot who is striking over the desire to put me out of work.

That's freaking great.

Who is trying to put who out of work here? I can promise you that no CAL pilot is trying to put you out of work. We're trying to preserve what we have. How is that not abundantly clear? This isn't UAL flying in question, no one has claim to it but CAL and XJT pilots. Additionally, a fellow regional pilots' contract is being trampled in this equation (the premier contract at one time), if they end up on strike are you going to fund their strike pay?

Maybe we just ought to plan to put your name on the scab list? Sounds like that is the direction you're leaning anyway.

 

[ePilot22]

Come on now, who doesn't love the general? Really he makes FI, FI! This place would be suicidally boring without him. People need to lighten up and stop taking it all so seriously!

Thanks Jenny. Without you FI would kill itself!





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[ePilot22]

Who is trying to put who out of work here? I can promise you that no CAL pilot is trying to put you out of work. We're trying to preserve what we have. How is that not abundantly clear? This isn't UAL flying in question, no one has claim to it but CAL and XJT pilots. Additionally, a fellow regional pilots' contract is being trampled in this equation (the premier contract at one time), if they end up on strike are you going to fund their strike pay?

Maybe we just ought to plan to put your name on the scab list? Sounds like that is the direction you're leaning anyway.

Get your flying back! Until then, stupid ignore people. You'll live longer.


By the way, XJT is owned by SkyWest INC.




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[johnpeace]

By the way, XJT is owned by SkyWest INC.

And I thought I heard something about United buying Continental too...