Skywest announces IAH and MSP bases.

[Flopgut]

And I thought I heard something about United buying Continental too...

You'll make a great scab....

 

[johnpeace]

If it's a choice between scab and supporting guys like you, sign me up.

 

[ePilot22]

Until then, ignore stupid people.

Where is the EDIT button? Anyway this is what is should have said.


EDIT! Thanks.




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[Flopgut]

If it's a choice between scab and supporting guys like you, sign me up.

Let's be clear on this. I do not want you to be without a job. What I want to see is my scope clause at CAL complied with. CAL and UAL are separate carriers with separate contracts. The FAA will not let them be one carrier until there is a single contract and single seniority list. CAL scope is in force and must be dealt with until then. This should not be a stretch for you to support. Now, if you don't want to support me and would rather be a scab, just let your ALPA MEC know about it. ALPA can remove you from good standing (if you currently are in good standing), and if there are enough guys like you there, ALPA National can put your MEC in trusteeship. We're going to have your support one way or another.

 

[Flopgut]

I can't imagine I'm arguing with a fellow ALPA member about this. Who do you work for JohnP?

 

[SLOTH]

Flopgut,

Gotta love how you throw the "scab" word around. Last time I checked, a scab was someone who flew struck work. Just ask many of your fellow pilots, you're bound to know someone or two or more who scabbed since you fly for the biggest scab airline CAL. As much as I hate to see scope protections being challenged by unscrupulous management you're a bit out of line insinuating that others are scabs (without having flown struck work) while you are a team mate of a group who has their own share of scabs who have done immeasurable damage to this thing we call airline career.

 

[General Lee]

Moderator Reviewed:

Responding to personal attacks with personal attacks, while frowned upon in general, is certainly within the realm of acceptable behavior as long as it doesn't violate the ToS.

So whoever attacked the General first is actually responsible for the General's response. He has, as of late, been very tame with his posts, and stays within the ToS. Note: the original person who called out the General is NOT the person who reported the post.

Please report posts only for actual ToS violations. We *DO* appreciate reported posts as there is just too many for the few mods we have to read EVERY thread, so the help from the membership is appreciated, and I know he may irritate some of you, BUT... please limit your reporting for actual TOS violations. You can always put him on your "ignore" list if his posting style gets to be too much. Most of us just realize he's having a little fun with people and we just ignore him when it gets "too deep".

/mod

Mods,

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Sure, there are some people that NEED to get SKOOOOLED. But overall, I STILL LOVE THE HECK OUT OF THEM. THEY ARE MY NEW FANTASTIC FRIENDS, even that eP chick.

Regardless, ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE FRICKEN FANTASTIC. REALLY. FOSHIZZLE. And if at all possible, PLEASE for the love of Gawd, do something NICE for someone, like givng Grandpa a strip of tangy taffey instead of Gold Bond Denture gel for his own dentures. It may not stick as long in his mouth, but it will taste like cherry! See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ePilot22]

THEY ARE MY NEW FANTASTIC FRIENDS, even that eP chick.




Bye Bye--General Lee

aw shucks....:blush:




eP.

 

[johnpeace]

I can't imagine I'm arguing with a fellow ALPA member about this. Who do you work for JohnP?

I work for ASA.

Maybe I'm overreacting.

I'm lumping your posts in with all of the other, 'take it back', 'scope out RJs', 'bring it in house', 'RJs must go' chest thumping I've been reading here over the last couple of weeks.

Someone said:

Like I said teens...the outsourcing ends now or we scuttle the ship.

I take that as a full frontal assault against my job. How would you read it?

To the point: your management is violating your contract (or you think so anyway). My suggestion is leave Skywest out of it and take it up with your management.

If I'm asked to support you during a strike over trying to end my job I'll be the loudest voice screaming for decertification of ALPA at our airline and the institution of a new union that is there to represent our interests.

 

[ePilot22]

If I'm asked to support you during a strike over trying to end my job I'll be the loudest voice screaming for decertification of ALPA at our airline and the institution of a new union that is there to represent our interests.

He's trying to protect your career interests! Unless you just want a JOB at ASA.

Yuppypuppy is an unhappy United pilot. Can you blame him? I'd be unhappy as well. In fact, SkyWest is well on it's way to being the next United!

Don't you wonder why it's SkyWest aircraft/pilots going to IAH and not ASA? A non-union pilot group with no job protection. No way to to say NO! Hmmm...

These guys have your interest in mind. Some of them just don't share it well.




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[Flopgut]

JohnP: I have NO problem with ASA! We don't need to trade jabs. You got what you got and do a great job. I just came over here to see what the regional forum had to say about the 70 seaters in IAH and EWR. I don't doubt for a nano second that if CAL called a legal strike you're group would not work it. And CAL would do the same for you. It's in most of our contracts, it's not something we're expected to do. I'd take Yuppypuppy with a grain of salt and not worry about it. If ALPA managed to change the landscape of scope to the point 70 seats went to mainline I think the pilots flying them would go as well. I think ALPA fragmentation policy covers that, and if not it should be changed to provide for that. (call your rep about that and see if you can get it done. You go with the jet) Guys like Yuppypuppy have lost their a$$ big time and no matter what he says I wouldn't wish what happened to him on my worst enemy. On this deal in IAH and EWR with the 70 seaters: this is serious issue that could escalate very quickly. If CAL's contract gets abrogated we can go on strike immediately.

 

[outtahere]

Why does everyone at mainline assume that everyone at the regionals want to go to mainline? You want my jet, take it, but bring me and my fellow employees with it, and fence it off until we leave it. Sound fair? The jet is at mainline with the same crew flying it, no interview at all. If I'm good enough to fly ual pax now, I'll be good enough to fly them then.

 

[BrickTop]

No you won't. You need balls to do that. Balls are scarce in the pilot profession.

Absolutely correct. PU$$IES.

 

[Dubya]

This is so retarded. You CAL/UAL guys want your flying back? You want the CAL scope enforced? Walk out.
Stop bitching and whining and talking and walk.

Do we really need a review of how we got here? Do we really want to put your pathetic union under the microscope? Do you really believe regional "teenagers" are responsible for this crap?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Put up or shut up.

 

[Flopgut]

This is so retarded. You CAL/UAL guys want your flying back? You want the CAL scope enforced? Walk out.
Stop bitching and whining and talking and walk.

Do we really need a review of how we got here? Do we really want to put your pathetic union under the microscope? Do you really believe regional "teenagers" are responsible for this crap?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Put up or shut up.

We are going to take a stand.

Obviously we all know why CAL [UAL] mgt chose non-union Skywest to do this flying. To my recollection, Skywest has never done flying that was this obviously contrary to another pilot group's CBA. Is that correct?

Skywest pilots who decide to do this flying need to know this will be considered a scab operation. That is the plain and simple fact. The term scab get's thrown around on here a lot, but in this case, it's exactly what they will be.

 

[SLOTH]

Hey Flopgut,

How many SkyWest pilots have scabbed? How many CAL pilots have scabbed? Besides, scabbing refers to struck work!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Time to get my CLICKER ready! Now when I'm in IAH and I see the crj700 "click, click, click" as I walk by the crew. I should just bring it out everytime I see a skyworst crew what am I thinking? CAL pilots will win this hands down!

 

[johnpeace]

The term scab get's thrown around on here a lot, but in this case, it's exactly what they will be.

I thought that was when pilots crossed the picket line of a striking pilot group to do their jobs while they were on strike?

 

[Flopgut]

Not necessarily. The master list includes names of pilots involved in this exact sort of thing. Sometimes even in other countries. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong JohnP. In fact, if you care to take the time, consider contacting your reps and ask them to get some official guidance for your own pilot group on this. The start date will be here quickly and you don't want to get cought up in this. (doubt you will anyway) Your contract should include language that absolves you from being scheduled to do flying of this sort.

If CAL mgt thought they could do this legally they would have already cited or explained to us exactly what they thought constitued their right. They would have also included Republic, more than likely. but I don't think the Teamsters will need this explained to them.

 

[ePilot22]

Time to get my CLICKER ready! Now when I'm in IAH and I see the crj700 "click, click, click" as I walk by the crew. I should just bring it out everytime I see a skyworst crew what am I thinking? CAL pilots will win this hands down!

I'll trade you a "guppy killer" sticker for a CLICKER!

How soon until you retire, pops?




eP.