Rah To Fly For Midwest Express

[Captain Morgan]

Then we resurect some ol' Brasilia's and Saabs here at RAH and base them out of BUF. That's when I'll be happy!

 

[Flyerdan]

Did I miss something here? I read all the posts in this thread and don't recall seeing the word "scab" anywhere.

Ah, but wait, this is FI, so you must be preparing us for some tool to post the "scab" word soon huh?

My understanding of the "S" word is it only applies to someone who is flying "Struck" work so that doesn't apply here at all.

We may need to coin a new phrase or word to describe this new turn of events. I propose the phrase "Mercenary Pilots" to describe how the RAH pilots are being used here against the Midwest pilots.

I don't mean to be harsh toward the RAH pilots. This could be any regional pilot group & airline that has aircraft to spare right now. It will be interesting to see if other mainline carriers try to employ this strategy when negotiating with their pilot groups.

 

[SkyBoxFO]

hint....they will no longer be RAH aircraft 18 months after this starts if an agreement is reached.

The agreement of for a 10 year lease in the event that Midwest pilots would fly the airplanes. RAH doesn't allow leased aircraft to be flown by non RAH pilots. This will be a violation. But you are right because CEO's use scope to line the seat of their golden toilet so they don't get their balls dirty when they sit down.

 

[Moustache]

Since NWA has a stake in MEH, maybe NWA/DAL could give those MEH guys a seniority number and then integrate MEH with Compass.

There are 60 some more slots for new hires at Compass....only a short 30 months and you can have your very own NWA/DL seniority number...........or however the hell it shakes out.

 

[Cardinal]

Are some of these aircraft on their 5th operator/codeshare partner since delivery? Keeping the painters busy. I thought some of the birds bounced over to the Shuttle America certificate in DL colors, briefly, but that's the one I'm least sure about. Correct me where I'm wrong:

MidAtlantic (US)
Republic (USEX)
Shuttle (DLC)
Republic (FRNT)
Republic (MEH)

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

RAH doesn't paint their planes. They're mostly white with blue tails. $10 says the Midwest airplanes won't be painted.

 

[Minimaniac]

RAH doesn't paint their planes. They're mostly white with blue tails. $10 says the Midwest airplanes won't be painted.

um, what?

Republic has two 170's (neither is white and blue) in company colors. There are 54 or so in USAirways colors. There are also the Frontier birds in PIT, which you can see are painted.

Shuttle America has two in blue and white. They have over 40 painted in appropriate code share colors.

Chautauqua has a higher number of blue and whites, but the number is still less than 10. They use these for charter flights, where airline colors are inappropriate, and as spares to bounce between 5 codeshare partners.

Feel free to go to airliners.net and see planes painted in colors other than blue and white.

If you have no idea what you are talking about, please don't post. All you do is spread bad information and perpetuate ignorance.

As for the MidConn birds, expect to see the two RAH painted planes on day one, and the newly painted birds to arrive as soon as possible. This is a ten year agreement (with the likelihood of the planes ending up on the MidEx certificate). We surely can't fly frontier painted planes for MidConn, so they will have to be repainted. Logic, try it!

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Since RAH is paying up to $25 M for this new opportunity, is it on par with PFT? Or is it okay for an airline to pay for flying, just not pilots?

Seriously, what is in this for RAH? In 18 mos, if an agreement is reached (which, if you read the press release from Midwest they obviously think it will be) then Midwest gets all the planes, manuals, certificates, authorizations etc. If one isn't reached, no doubt Midwest pilots will probably walk off the job and now there is no-one left to feed anyway.

This looks like a whipsaw tactic to get Midwest pilots to agree to a contract or be replaced.

Interesting nonetheless ...

You mean like Air Wisconsin did with US Airways? Get your facts straight mister!

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Wow, let's say that the YX pilot's picket over this and then Midwest says, "let's get some RAH pilots to fly these things, they're theirs anyway..." what's to stop them? This has the makings of strike breaking written all over it. I'm very happy i'm in the 145 and I won't have to make the decision. I will not cross the picket line though, that's for sure.

Take it easy killer, nobody is crossing a picket line. In addition, the 170's have the same amount of seats as 900's so there is no diff there other than the engines are below the wings. If you fly a 145 you are just as guilty as anyone else in the way this industry has turned so don't start preaching. I can't believe the amount of penis envy you guys have. It is almost embarrassing to watch you guys.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

The 145 should've been a stretched Brasilia turboprop. It might have kept some credibility then.

BINGO ! Everyone flying a jet at a regional is just as guilty as the other guy.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I may be missing something here, but, didn't this happen, sort of in reverse, at Republic with E-jets only with US Airways?

Wasn't it something similar? Airways sold their Mid Atlantic jets to Republic but as it was a sale of assets they did not have to "sell" the pilots with the deal? Didn't this put the Airways guys back on the street. Didn't Mid Atlantic pilots fly the same planes for Airways?

Does all this make anybody else's head hurt? Do you ever wonder if these airline execs spent as much time running good quality companies as they did making craziness like this that we would not have half the problems we do?

I'm sorry, this kind of stuff is hocus pocus. Either you own and operate an airline, pay your people a decent salary to fly, serve and maintain said airplanes or you do not. It is just that simple.

For just how long are we as pilots going to put up with this crud? Seriously. Where is the line?

No, the mid atlantic and airways pilots got jobs for it....thus the j4j .....jets for jobs.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Then we resurect some ol' Brasilia's and Saabs here at RAH and base them out of BUF. That's when I'll be happy!

agreed, but lets make it the dash 8's.

 

[Baronman]

. If you fly a 145 you are just as guilty as anyone else in the way this industry has turned so don't start preaching.

Well, the 145/CRJ was all that was around back then. If the 170 existed then it would have done as good a job as it's doing now at replacing mainline planes.

Despite all this, "We don't like this at all.." you know come October RAH pilots will be replacing the midwest planes.

Bottom line is over a hundred well-paid pilots lose work and a similar amount of $23/hr new hires get to keep to avoid a furlough and hopefully get a quick upgrade so they can get one of those rare mainline jobs.

Hopefully Midwest pilots can get similar wages to what they had to fly those planes. Frankly, I'd look the other way towards the scope issue. Let them grieve it like they do everything else. Find a loophole and then say...Sorry RAH pilots but, it's management playing games..we have nothing to do with it!!

 

[Captain Morgan]

Take it easy killer, nobody is crossing a picket line. In addition, the 170's have the same amount of seats as 900's so there is no diff there other than the engines are below the wings. If you fly a 145 you are just as guilty as anyone else in the way this industry has turned so don't start preaching. I can't believe the amount of penis envy you guys have. It is almost embarrassing to watch you guys.

Yup, I agree. I just want to make sure we aren't doing anything wrong. You are right about the RJ, what a joke man. And I don't have penis envy, I am happy with what I've been given, thank you very much.

 

[Captain Morgan]

If I get furloughed I'm going to go fly an old greasy Saab or a Dash. I've always been partial to Beta.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

If I get furloughed I'm going to go fly an old greasy Saab or a Dash. I've always been partial to Beta.

At least we would have the feel of flying again. I envy those dash guys.

 

[ballsdeep123]

This is a bad deal!! The furloughs will be over... no one going on the streets at RAH, the capt downgrades have been called off today. But whats even worse is that the ME guys will be on the streets.
Every pilot at RAH does not like this deal...
Smart on the behalf of management on both sides, but ********************ty on the behalf of the ME guys... I feel for the ME guys fully... Good luck!!!

the captain downgrades weren't called off at rah they were pushed up by two months. Oct 1st.

 

[Airline Driver]

I don't think so....at the 1.5 year mark Midwest has the option to buy (or assume the leases) these airplanes.

Looks like RAH found a place to unload static aircraft that were draining the bottom line and taking up gate space in PIT. They might just get rid of them for good.

Incorrect sir!!! RAH owns those airplanes and are leasing them to Midwest. RAH will continue to lease them to Midwest reattaining the ownership of the 170's for the duration of the prospective 10 year contract. RAH Pilots will fly them at first but Midwest has the option in 2010 to put their pilots in the 170's on their own contract and rate structure. I will say again RAH will retain ownership or will be the holder of the leases during the duration of the contract. This Violates our CBA. No pilot other than pilots of RAH will fly RAH airplanes. Then again nothing has stopped Bedford from violating our contract before

 

[kf4amu]

At least we would have the feel of flying again. I envy those dash guys.

And you wouldnt lose any money...first year Dash pay at PDT is a few dollars more than jets twice as big.

 

[king10pin02]

the captain downgrades weren't called off at rah they were pushed up by two months. Oct 1st.

half right, the chq downgrades were pushed up, all the 170 republic downgrades were canceled. i believe it was about 18-20 guys affected, the republic downgrades were the most senior.