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Cocknbull can expect to be a 767 FO in the bottom 10% of the seniority list 13 years from now with hardly any attrition in front of him.

Superpilot can to be in the top 50% at the same time.

I was hired at Delta this summer and assuming NO guys leave prior to 65, I will be at 50% on the list with the growth planned through 08 by 2020. If growth continues past 2008 or some guys leave earlier than 65, it only gets better. If you take ALL the growth out of the equation, I'll be at 50% in 2023. I am also already at 94% on the list and should be at 90% before my year mark with the growth. That is hard data based on facts and is far from me or any other DAL newhire being 10% on the list in 13 years. Superpilot may be at 50% in 13 years but so will a DAL newhire if they hire about 400 more this year. If they continue to hire like they have in 07 and 08, a DAL guy will be much better off than any NWA newhire. We do have retirements just not for a few more years. Do some research before you post crap next time.
 
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True, I was hired in Aug 07 and presently at 94.7 % at 94 % with the 50 guys starting Monday. I should be 88-89% by the end of the year.

And to set the record straight on the aircraft issue. Awarded the 7ER out of NYC on the last AE at 68%. Solid line holder.
 
Read Much?

Holding current assignment is "stirring the pot?"
Not directed at holding the assignment. Don't rearrange the post. It was an afterthought directed at the constant pot stirring in the hundreds of other pages dedicated to this dead horse subject.

You exemplify my concern with the NWA pilot group. I say I'd like to remain in my house and you write "not necessarily."
Don't be concerned. Don't want "your house." Just pointed out that your house isn't made of bricks. Before my two furloughs I thought I was pretty safe in my seat with over 10% under me. WRONG! I was just pointing out that with or without this merger, nobody at the bottom 20% of either list (which I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that that would include all post 9-11 hires) is assured of being able to stay in "your house/seat." It could easily happen from furloughs or displacements from within. So a new hire in a 767 really shouldn't have a high expectation of keeping his seat and it isn't because of a merger.

If DAL guys were on the board talking about taking NWA Captain positions that would be "stirring the pot," but they aren't. DAL guys are on the boards hoping that they can keep their base and equipment, they are worried about displacements and their hopes of status quo are answered with "not necessarily." I hope you can see the difference between aggressive and defensive.
See above, pot stirring not directed at that statement.

The bottom line is that the raises, better work rules and friendlier working environment are not appreciated, you want the Delta pilots' jobs too. If a Delta pilot is displaced as a result of my DAL's reduction that is one thing, if they are displaced by a DC9 pilot's planned reduction, that is quite another thing.
NOBODY except the negotiating committee knows how this might play out because it depends on what THEY decide. Don't give yourself a coronary worrying about it until it happens if it happens (unless you are senior to me, then worry away). The NWA side of the house has the same fears you do.

You can be assured that status quo holds the high ground in an arbitration.
It does with me too. Personally, I'm pretty content where I am right now and the last thing on my mind is what angle this merger could give me. I just don't see myself (or many of the other NWA pilots for that matter) looking to "invade" DAL positions even if they could.

I've got a F4 photo dropping Napalm if you would like to use it.
Sure...send it my way and I might use it for an avatar. Always loved the smell of napalm in the morning.
Don't put words in my mouth and don't rearrange my post. I didn't direct that statement at DAL or NWA. It was a neutral post addressing seat security and effects of 9-11 changing the playing field. It caused unprecedented furloughs and downward movement. It changed seat security "expectations" for every airline (except maybe SWA). My intent was to point out that no matter what airline you are at and no matter what seat you hold, unless you are above about the 20% point on the SL, you really don't have any seat security. That is the sad reality of the post 9-11 world we live in and it doesn't matter if there is or isn't a merger. Economic conditions, War, SARS, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, or even $110/barrel oil could start the downward spiral. Mgt has used any excuse they can to "trim the fat" when they see an opportunity. The comments about stirring the pot came at the end and is in reference to the pages and pages of rehashing of unsubstantiated "facts" and carefully place media articles that have no clue what is really happening behind closed doors. I hope we all keep our seats with or without a merger. I'm above 10% with new hires coming in under me and I certainly don't feel like I own my seat yet, and it has nothing to do with merger-mania. It has to do with 2 prior furloughs in a business that doesn't always make sense.

P.S. I like your SLI plan as well. You should send it to your rep. If you don't send it in have someone do it for you and SOON. You'll regret it in the future if you had your chance to make a difference and didn't try. You don't need horsepower to have a good idea.
 
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Fins, you made your post on the 10th, and the talks didn't adjourn until the 11th according to that article. In other words, Occam was still right.

Yup. The talks are done. Over.

(ended on the 11th)

It's now up the MEC's to act...or not act.

Both are meeting this week.
 
Yup. The talks are done. Over.

(ended on the 11th)

It's now up the MEC's to act...or not act.

Both are meeting this week.


Well I guess it's official. Stupidity at it's finest!

With oil @ 107 a barrel and no merger, it's time to sell the boat again folks (NW and DELTOID).

Good job guys on the NW merger committee...NOT!!!. Why is it I am supposed to support ALPA again?

You guys are idiots (read: thoughts not based in reality).
 
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Yeah on his way to work.:laugh:

Sorry I can't laugh too long because I believe my "leadership" just f_cked me.

That really is some sweet ride! Suuuuuu--weeeee! I should be fixen to buy myself one of those sweet vessels. Then me and Daisy can drive to the woods and I can look down her short shorts.....


Anyway, it will be interesting to see where this all goes. DOH won't work, and I doubt an arbitrator would allow it either. We shall see!!!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Well I guess it's official. Stupidity at it's finest!

With oil @ 107 a barrel and no merger, it's time to sell the boat again folks (NW and DELTOID).

Good job guys on the NW merger committee...NOT!!!. Why is it I am supposed to support ALPA again?

You guys are idiots (read: thoughts not based in reality).

107 is just the beginning depending on who you listen to. Check out the one year forecast price here:

http://www.oil-price.net/

I really dont know how any airlines will survive without a major change in the way things are done currently.
 
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from my posts? You guys are the ones posting half a$$ed assumptions based on rumors.

I asked you two simple questions based on assumptions you guys are making over vacancies created by adopting a new staffing formula and new work rules. I didn't interject those assumptions, or vacancies you guys did. I noticed you didn't answer the questions. Fine, then don't bring it up again.

In the long run though i hope it works out for all of us.

That's a good thought, let's leave it at that.
 
I am sure that this will go back and forth until the company gives in on three out of four. I believe that they will do this as long as both pilot groups agree that whatever comes out of binding arbitration is the final answer on the SLI. If we do this, they will go ahead with the merger.
Just my guess.
 
With oil @ 107 a barrel and no merger, it's time to sell the boat again folks (NW and DELTOID).

Good job guys on the NW merger committee...NOT!!!. Why is it I am supposed to support ALPA again?
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OK, so please explain how a merger (minimum 24 months before OI) is going to have any effect on the short term fuel sensitive operating expenses of either airline?
 

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