NJA Downgrades

[RP170]

Not sure if this was already posted in this thread but there is apparently a meeting scheduled on April 19 between the union and company discussing staffing. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. At least it isn't on a Friday.

 

[AZaviator]

Not sure if this was already posted in this thread but there is apparently a meeting scheduled on April 19 between the union and company discussing staffing. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. At least it isn't on a Friday.

We saw what happened the last time one of those meetings took place :erm:

 

[RP170]

We saw what happened the last time one of those meetings took place :erm:

Yep. This is so frustrating AZ. If both of us only would have taken those class dates at Allegiant in 07 huh? Shoulda woulda coulda. I'm beginning to fear that my career in aviation is now over due to going to the "last job you'll ever have" company known as NetJets. It was the last job we'll ever have alright, aka career suicide.

 

[grounded92]

Amen on the career suicide

Hello,

Just thought I would post a negative, frustrating post here. Has anybody else had a interviewer bash the NetJet "culture".

During a recent interview I asked if any other NJ guys had applied. The reply I got was- no, because most NJ guys are to lazy, or to good, to apply for most jobs. (not a direct quote, but as close as I can remember) No I didn't get the job, despite being exceptionally over-qualified.

I know NJ had a terrible reputation prior to the 2000s. However, I would have thought the rep would have improved since then, especially with the ibb and pilots participation in the voluntary measures. Maybe I was wrong.

Good luck all,

B

 

[brokeflyer]

well i doubt about the lazy part. NJ pilots are by far the most active in aviation. As far as the "too good" part?, that is true. they are the best in aviation and the reason they dont apply to other aviation jobs is because no other job can afford to pay for their superior skills.

 

[OPECJet]

I think a lot of us have been getting that, or something like it. For aviation jobs it's "you'll bail as soon as NetJets calls back". For non-aviation jobs, it's "you'll leave as soon as a pilot position comes open."

Then there's some of us that went to NJA with little / no turbine PIC time and don't meet the mins. My finances and family situation don't allow me, and I'm guessing most of us to start over at a regional. It actually cost me money to work at the regional I came from and the commute it required.

Yep, they were right. The last aviation job we'll ever have.

 

[ydoifly]

Its going to be very difficult for any ex NJA pilot to convince any flight dept. to hire them. Its like the aviation equivalent of herpes. Once you have it, its impossible to get rid of the stigma.

 

[gret]

well i doubt about the lazy part. NJ pilots are by far the most active in aviation. As far as the "too good" part?, that is true. they are the best in aviation and the reason they dont apply to other aviation jobs is because no other job can afford to pay for their superior skills.

I'm a little slow. You are saying this is jest, are you not?

 

[brokeflyer]

I'm a little slow. You are saying this is jest, are you not?

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[NachoMamma]

During a recent interview I asked if any other NJ guys had applied. The reply I got was- no, because most NJ guys are to lazy, or to good, to apply for most jobs. (not a direct quote, but as close as I can remember) No I didn't get the job, despite being exceptionally over-qualified.

Something to keep in mind here is that the reasons for the NJ stigma, at least in corporate 91 circles, are not always legitimate. NJ is a bona fide threat to ANY part 91 flight department, no matter how secure they might think their jobs are. Add to that a recent (post 2007) wage scale that trumps NBAA wages on most (small) aircraft types, and you get a predisposition for animosity that will certainly be reflected in the hiring practices of these flight departments. In short, there's alot of fear and jealousy of NJ out there that will most certainly put a furloughee at a disadvantage in the Part 91 job hunt.

 

[rajflyboy]

I'm sure if a company wants a type rated and current pilot to fly their jet... they may take the NJ pilot over the guy that doesn't have the type and or is not current

Its about the $$$$$$$$

 

[FLYLOW22]

Its going to be very difficult for any ex NJA pilot to convince any flight dept. to hire them. Its like the aviation equivalent of herpes. Once you have it, its impossible to get rid of the stigma.

Actually, Having NetJets on my resume is just about as good as having US Airways on my resume...

oh yeah... herpes.

Got it...

 

[Outta Here]

First of all can the company downgrade? Sure but it is very difficult. Just becasue the comapny puts an aircraft into permanent disposal/ reduction doesnt mean it springs an automatic downgrade situation. It cant happen until they planes start to go away and it causes changes of aircraft for pilots. And with the economy these planes arent going anywhere fast. It has to start at the bottom and it SLOWLY works it way up because of the many different fleet types we have here and how the demographics are spread among the junior captains. The CBA verbagae is very cumbersome and not cut and dry like the airlines. I have mulled over the language very much since I am in the range it could happen to. If it does look where the most junior SIC is in a class 4 plane is and if there is one below you pay wise..... Well just keep that in mind...

 

[Praetorian]

Hello,

Just thought I would post a negative, frustrating post here. Has anybody else had a interviewer bash the NetJet "culture".

During a recent interview I asked if any other NJ guys had applied. The reply I got was- no, because most NJ guys are to lazy, or to good, to apply for most jobs. (not a direct quote, but as close as I can remember) No I didn't get the job, despite being exceptionally over-qualified.

I know NJ had a terrible reputation prior to the 2000s. However, I would have thought the rep would have improved since then, especially with the ibb and pilots participation in the voluntary measures. Maybe I was wrong.

Good luck all,

B

I think this is how this interviewer has conceptualized the fact that the NJ pilots are accustomed to working under a contract, with all that entails. He assumes (perhaps correctly) that they will be unwilling to "go the extra mile" and take his s**t along the way to get the job done at any cost, legal or not.

 

[CRJFlyer]

First of all can the company downgrade? Sure but it is very difficult. Just becasue the comapny puts an aircraft into permanent disposal/ reduction doesnt mean it springs an automatic downgrade situation. It cant happen until they planes start to go away and it causes changes of aircraft for pilots. And with the economy these planes arent going anywhere fast. It has to start at the bottom and it SLOWLY works it way up because of the many different fleet types we have here and how the demographics are spread among the junior captains. The CBA verbagae is very cumbersome and not cut and dry like the airlines. I have mulled over the language very much since I am in the range it could happen to. If it does look where the most junior SIC is in a class 4 plane is and if there is one below you pay wise..... Well just keep that in mind...

Basically what has been proven is the company holds the cards and can do pretty much what they want. Best of luck to holding your position. I just remember how many pilots (cpts.) were so sure of themselves that NJA couldn't possibly furlough. There's only a few people who know what's in the works and one of them has the initials DS and the rest AREN"T pilots.

Hope for the best,plan for the worst.