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[imacdog]

The Union caused this themselves with the idiotic fatigue report in which you lose Sick Days for if you forget to do it. What a f in joke!

No, the joke is the pilot that is too chicken-poo to call fatigue because he has to fill a report out. I did it more than once, and guess what happened? Not a thing. Perhaps if people are afraid to fatigue because they're scared of filing a report, they shouldn't be making command decisions in the first place.

 

[VGerect]

Perhaps if people are afraid to fatigue because they're scared of filing a report, they shouldn't be making command decisions in the first place.

Amen brother !

There's a lot more to being a captain then sitting in the left seat and ordering fuel.

 

[jppt2000]

Ok, then you keep flying tired and flying equipment that should be written up. Just read the last 411 and you'll understand where I'm coming from. Good god man even Luthi can see what/where this is heading. Open your eyes a bit.

Nothing against my co-workers, except those that are too afraid to fatigue or write a/c up because they want to be the saviors of the company. It's a fact that there are those that think if they get every flight accomplished no matter what, they'll somehow keep owners and improve NJA.

And BTW I'm trying not to come back, like many of the others also. NJA has become the worst job possible because most of the 495 can't find work BECAUSE of having worked for NJA. And recall in 5-10 years may be the only possibility of employment (that is enjoyable).

I'd be much happier if you licked the underside of my ballsack, but your probably already giving DS the reach around. (sorry couldn't resist)

Tough words from someone out in the anonymous internet, Poser.
Sorry for your troubles, you're miserable, you want everyone else to be.
That's your disgruntled interpretation of what was posted.

 

[rajflyboy]

No, the joke is the pilot that is too chicken-poo to call fatigue because he has to fill a report out. I did it more than once, and guess what happened? Not a thing. Perhaps if people are afraid to fatigue because they're scared of filing a report, they shouldn't be making command decisions in the first place.

You are right to a point but there are guys out there that don't fatigue because the union F ed the pooch and required this dumb ass report.

We all know it! You can't hide. This was stupid as ********************.

 

[jppt2000]

The Union caused this themselves with the idiotic fatigue report in which you lose Sick Days for if you forget to do it. What a f in joke!

Nope, it appears to me, you have your anger misplaced.
That was report was negotiated in order to get the best fatigue policy in the industry.
You and CRJ seem to want to characterize everyone, your coworkers, as afraid to fill out a report.
How many of those reports did you fill out?
Another poser.

 

[rajflyboy]

Nope, it appears to me, you have your anger misplaced.
Management hired you, not the union.
You and CRJ seem to want to characterize everyone, your coworkers, as afraid to fill out a report.
How many of those forms did you fill out?
Another poser.

Wrong

I'm just saying they F ed up by putting this in the contract. Pretty simple for 95 percent of the pilots here to understand.

 

[jppt2000]

Wrong

I'm just saying they F ed up by putting this in the contract. Pretty simple for 95 percent of the pilots here to understand.

It's called negotiation, stop trying to make an issue out of the act of filling out a simple report.
I understand you're miserable, you're angry at the wrong folks.

 

[rajflyboy]

It's called negotiation, stop trying to make an issue out of the act of filling out a simple report.
I understand you're miserable, you're angry at the wrong folks.

I'm not angry. I'm pointing out a major mistake that was made. These are the mistakes that we cannot afford to make anymore. Hopefully the upcoming election will solve this problem.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Nope, it appears to me, you have your anger misplaced.
That was report was negotiated in order to get the best fatigue policy in the industry.
You and CRJ seem to want to characterize everyone, your coworkers, as afraid to fill out a report.
How many of those reports did you fill out?
Another poser.

I filled out my fair share when necessary.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Tough words from someone out in the anonymous internet, Poser.
Sorry for your troubles, you're miserable, you want everyone else to be.
That's your disgruntled interpretation of what was posted.

trust me I'd say it too your face also with no problem. (but how quick would you take it to Pro Standards or management to cry would be the question)

Not miserable, bitter maybe. My life has actually been on the up and up recently. Now I'm just sitting back and amazed at the blinders some have on as to what NJA is going to become.

 

[rajflyboy]

I filled out my fair share when necessary.

I have filled enough of them out to realize what a joke the whole thing is. Most of the information that is asked isn't even the reason why many pilots have to call in fatigue.

 

[rajflyboy]

trust me I'd say it too your face also with no problem. (but how quick would you take it to Pro Standards or management to cry would be the question)

Not miserable, bitter maybe. My life has actually been on the up and up recently. Now I'm just sitting back and amazed at the blinders some have on as to what NJA is going to become.

Exactly !!!!

 

[jppt2000]

I have filled enough of them out to realize what a joke the whole thing is. Most of the information that is asked isn't even the reason why many pilots have to call in fatigue.

And that's an issue?
Call in fatigue-no questions asked,
and fill out a what you call a joke?
Is your time too important?
You've been watching to many Hollywood movies.
Seems to me you're making it way too much of an issue.

 

[imacdog]

I have filled enough of them out to realize what a joke the whole thing is. Most of the information that is asked isn't even the reason why many pilots have to call in fatigue.

So you have fatigued and filled out reports. Look, either the required report IS a problem and a black mark on the contract or it ISN'T. You can't sit back and say how the union screwed the pooch on this, yet have no problem with doing it yourself. If that really is the case, then you'd agree with me that the pilots who are afraid of fatiguing because of the report really are weak decision-makers.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Hold up. Let me see if I have this straight. You say the "F" word and scheduling HAS to pull the plug on your trip, no questions asked? And all you have to do is fill out a little report that might be used to avoid the kind of scheduling that led to the "F" word? And you don't get your phone call transferred to a CP that asks you to explain yourself? And there CAN'T be any blowback from management?

This is a problem how?

 

[jppt2000]

trust me I'd say it too your face also with no problem. (but how quick would you take it to Pro Standards or management to cry would be the question)

Not miserable, bitter maybe. My life has actually been on the up and up recently. Now I'm just sitting back and amazed at the blinders some have on as to what NJA is going to become.

Bitter, sorry you feel that way.
It's easy to post like a tough guy on an anonymous internet chat board.
It's pathetic to read "insider ( 411 emails) NJA commentary" posts from a bitter furloughed pilot or his angry buddy.
You seem to forget, it was the last management regime that hired you, not the union, or rank and file.

 

[jppt2000]

So you have fatigued and filled out reports. Look, either the required report IS a problem and a black mark on the contract or it ISN'T. You can't sit back and say how the union screwed the pooch on this, yet have no problem with doing it yourself. If that really is the case, then you'd agree with me that the pilots who are afraid of fatiguing because of the report really are weak decision-makers.

How many of these weak decision-making pilots really exist at NJA?

 

[imacdog]

How many of these weak decision-making pilots really exist at NJA?

I have no idea. I haven't flown with all of them. Certainly the pilots that are afraid of using the F-bomb because they have to fill out a report would be grouped into that definition. I have flown with several pilots that I considered to be weak PICs, but according to Raj, "everyone" is afraid of fatiguing. I'd give the pilots a little more credit than that.

 

[rajflyboy]

I don't see why some of you try to defend a stupid policy that was written into the IBB contract. Everyone knows its stupid. Its basic common sense.

 

[jppt2000]

I have no idea. I haven't flown with all of them. Certainly the pilots that are afraid of using the F-bomb because they have to fill out a report would be grouped into that definition. I have flown with several pilots that I considered to be weak PICs, but according to Raj, "everyone" is afraid of fatiguing. I'd give the pilots a little more credit than that.

Precisely, I too have no idea about the number of these weak PIC's.

But it sure grabs attention and gives posers, a phoney, self serving validation to their assertions.
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