NJA announces 1000 applications for pilot positions

[G4dude]

You don't think treating people like that is thuggery? No ne who lost their job did anything wrong. Management failed in their plans lost money and these people paid after committing themselves and doing fine work supporting us and our owners.

There should have been a pprofuse apology and kind treatment instead of what happened

Oops, I thought we were discussing current threats by management. The actions of management several years ago firing people sounds pretty brutal to me. Bad behavior by Sokol and his minions.

 

[T-1GUY]

G4 is a paid company rep hired to harass and bad mouth and create FUD. If you are familiar with B19 you are familiar with G4.

 

[G4dude]

G4 is a paid company rep hired to harass and bad mouth and create FUD. If you are familiar with B19 you are familiar with G4.

OK. Would gutshotdraw and Acaterry please tell this silly guy I am just a pilot? Sheesh.

 

[T-1GUY]

Ok B19, I mean G4. Whatever you say. I'm just a worried manager

 

[Diesel]

OK. Would gutshotdraw and Acaterry please tell this silly guy I am just a pilot? Sheesh.

I would barely call you a pilot at this point. You're showing up to fly and riding on the backs of other pilots so that you don't have to lift your head out of the foxhole.

 

[gunfyter]

I think he asks reasonable question which I try to answer.

Managements are Organized against us. Here they are scheming how not to pay pilots:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ddle-to-discuss-pilot-shortage-300019100.html



Remember the Adam Smith quotes I shared with you a few months ago. Its not just workers who "combine" but also employers. They are organized.

A union to me is like a Combat Formation flight. You stay in position, provide mutual support, and NEVER leave your wingman. If you break formation someone usually gets hurt.

They have hired their legal thugs and PR firms to spread FUD against us. We all have to stay in formation and support each other. We are all we have. They have $billions and will crush us if we do not stand together

 

[Diesel]

I think he asks reasonable question which I try to answer.

Managements are Organized against us. Here they are scheming how not to pay pilots:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ddle-to-discuss-pilot-shortage-300019100.html



Remember the Adam Smith quotes I shared with you a few months ago. Its not just workers who "combine" but also employers. They are organized.

A union to me is like a Combat Formation flight. You stay in position, provide mutual support, and NEVER leave your wingman. If you break formation someone usually gets hurt.

They have hired their legal thugs and PR firms to spread FUD against us. We all have to stay in formation and support each other. We are all we have. They have $billions and will crush us if we do not stand together

He doesn't want to hear the answer. The union will always be a big bad thug. He will continue with the job and enjoy the fruits of the labor of those around him.

He will find other like minded pilots to commiserate with and make excuses why he is right and the union is wrong.

You will never change his mind. Anyone who talks about crossing a picket line will never get it. They don't see the big picture and are just looking out to how everything affects THEM.

The good thing is I am planted in front of a computer all day on my days off with other work so I can respond to these pilots that pretend they are the authority of everything until they have to answer questions. Then all you see is them lashing out. Yet not being able to answer any question.

 

[G4dude]

He doesn't want to hear the answer. The union will always be a big bad thug. He will continue with the job and enjoy the fruits of the labor of those around him.

He will find other like minded pilots to commiserate with and make excuses why he is right and the union is wrong.

You will never change his mind. Anyone who talks about crossing a picket line will never get it. They don't see the big picture and are just looking out to how everything affects THEM.

The good thing is I am planted in front of a computer all day on my days off with other work so I can respond to these pilots that pretend they are the authority of everything until they have to answer questions. Then all you see is them lashing out. Yet not being able to answer any question.

Yep, you are a hero. And I have said repeatedly that NJASAP seems to be a pretty good organization. The only thugs are the ones who think it is fine to use intimidation to further their goals. Like you, Skippy. Sorry, I don't intimidate. I've been through too much in my life to be afraid of the goons. Its a sad thing though, I thought better of most of you.

 

[G4dude]

G4 is a paid company rep hired to harass and bad mouth and create FUD. If you are familiar with B19 you are familiar with G4.

What is FUD?

 

[G4dude]

I think he asks reasonable question which I try to answer.

Managements are Organized against us. Here they are scheming how not to pay pilots:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ddle-to-discuss-pilot-shortage-300019100.html



Remember the Adam Smith quotes I shared with you a few months ago. Its not just workers who "combine" but also employers. They are organized.

A union to me is like a Combat Formation flight. You stay in position, provide mutual support, and NEVER leave your wingman. If you break formation someone usually gets hurt.

They have hired their legal thugs and PR firms to spread FUD against us. We all have to stay in formation and support each other. We are all we have. They have $billions and will crush us if we do not stand together

I expect the company to pay us as little as possible. And I expect us to require as much as possible. The compromise is the resulting contract.

 

[Diesel]

What is FUD?

Yeah you're really informed.

You don't even know the most basic terms.

Your knowledge of union contracts, negotiating and union issues keep amazing me how little you actually have.

 

[Diesel]

I expect the company to pay us as little as possible. And I expect us to require as much as possible. The compromise is the resulting contract.

Again you have no experience in this. But talk like you have a clue.

Please I keep asking you to regale us with your knowledge. You continue to be lacking to the point of embarrassment.

 

[Helmsalee]

Fear, uncertainty and doubt. You are hard to believe.

 

[G4dude]

I guess if you have another viewpoint than the hooligans, you can't post here and have a good exchange of information. Which is why my buds on the V stay away.

 

[Diesel]

I guess if you have another viewpoint than the hooligans, you can't post here and have a good exchange of information. Which is why my buds on the V stay away.

Again hooligans and thugs that's all you can refer too.

You can't answer any questions.

You can't provide any information or experience.

You are not involved in the union and won't acknowledge what the company is doing.

You like to attack people personally but like your union thug comments you have no basis but are just following what you've heard with no experience.

Notice a trend here?

 

[pilotyip]

You like to attack people personally

He is not alone here

 

[ragman]

G4--a frightened mouse working up the courage to be a rat.

 

[G4dude]

Again hooligans and thugs that's all you can refer too.

You can't answer any questions.

You can't provide any information or experience.

You are not involved in the union and won't acknowledge what the company is doing.

You like to attack people personally but like your union thug comments you have no basis but are just following what you've heard with no experience.

Notice a trend here?

Who have I attacked personally? I have said anybody who believes it is ok to mistreat someone for crossing a picket line, for the rest of his career, is a thug, that is a statement of opinion about a behavior.

 

[gunfyter]

I expect the company to pay us as little as possible. And I expect us to require as much as possible. The compromise is the resulting contract.

Why. Would they pay us a compromise if people cross the line?

 

[Checks]

you guys are talking about a strike but I am under the impression wages havent even been discussed with the company. Is that because the company doesnt want an agreement unless there is concessions? Basically they arent trying to negotiate? If that is the case then why havent you all voted to strike yet? Just do it, your pay keeps getting eroded by inflation (am I correct in the fact that the payscale doesnt adjust for inflation?).

Seriously, just voting to strike would wake up management. I say you do it OR quit talking about it. 99% of the posts on this message board are about some dude named G-4 scabbing if a strike comes. Is a strike even close to happening? Why talk about it? Vote for it or stop complaining about what if's.

I am just some guy on the outside trying to figure out WTF is going to happen with you all.

Signed,

No one important

 

[Diesel]

you guys are talking about a strike but I am under the impression wages havent even been discussed with the company. Is that because the company doesnt want an agreement unless there is concessions? Basically they arent trying to negotiate? If that is the case then why havent you all voted to strike yet? Just do it, your pay keeps getting eroded by inflation (am I correct in the fact that the payscale doesnt adjust for inflation?).

Seriously, just voting to strike would wake up management. I say you do it OR quit talking about it. 99% of the posts on this message board are about some dude named G-4 scabbing if a strike comes. Is a strike even close to happening? Why talk about it? Vote for it or stop complaining about what if's.

I am just some guy on the outside trying to figure out WTF is going to happen with you all.

Signed,

No one important

We are still in negotiations 2 years worth actually.

G4Dude wants us to negotiate but that position is dramatically discounted when people like him are willing to SCAB. The company has been sending out feelers on who are "like minded" and are doing far more to prepare than they did last time around.

Basically the company has come to play and they are ready. When pilots are weak it bolsters their resolve. When they aren't participating and only choosing which parts of the union they want to be involved with it bolsters their resolve.

They aren't going to give an inch this time around. If you're questionable whether you are going to SCAB or not now, jesus imagine what your thoughts are when you have to make the choice.

Weak dicks, pilots own worst enemy.

 

[gunfyter]

Free market is not free in aviation. Management thugs and goons conspire to keep from paying pilots properly. Violate maintenance regulations and rest regulations. At the expense of safety to shave a little more profit.


http://youtu.be/q9Os86ZBkA4

 

[gunfyter]

Free market is not free in aviation. Management thugs and goons conspire to keep from paying pilots properly. Violate maintenance regulations and rest regulations. At the expense of safety to shave a little more profit.


http://youtu.be/q9Os86ZBkA4


Say what you want about santulli. The safety and service culture we had was built under santulli and our union. Not under the metrics and bean counter regime.

 

[G4dude]

Free market is not free in aviation. Management thugs and goons conspire to keep from paying pilots properly. Violate maintenance regulations and rest regulations. At the expense of safety to shave a little more profit.


http://youtu.be/q9Os86ZBkA4


Say what you want about santulli. The safety and service culture we had was built under santulli and our union. Not under the metrics and bean counter regime.

Oh come on. We are amazingly safe.

 

[gunfyter]

Oh come on. We are amazingly safe.

Watch the video. I am talking about managements in general, not ours in specific. But note we no longer have the management that built the service and safety. It's all on you now.

 

[gutshotdraw]

you guys are talking about a strike but I am under the impression wages havent even been discussed with the company. Is that because the company doesnt want an agreement unless there is concessions? Basically they arent trying to negotiate? If that is the case then why havent you all voted to strike yet? Just do it, your pay keeps getting eroded by inflation (am I correct in the fact that the payscale doesnt adjust for inflation?).

Seriously, just voting to strike would wake up management. I say you do it OR quit talking about it. 99% of the posts on this message board are about some dude named G-4 scabbing if a strike comes. Is a strike even close to happening? Why talk about it? Vote for it or stop complaining about what if's.

I am just some guy on the outside trying to figure out WTF is going to happen with you all.

Signed,

No one important

The Railway Labor Act, which unfortunately governs this process, is very specific about timelines. Our union can, and certainly will have to, hold a vote to authorize a strike. But we can't just magically wave our hands and-poof-we're on strike. We haven't even gotten a mediator involved. Yet.

Unless pressure is ramped up OUTSIDE the negotiating room, there is ZERO incentive for the company to accelerate the process.

At some point a mediator will be appointed and, in all likelihood, will someday declare an impasse, a cooling off period, and THEN possibly release both sides to self help. But that will take time. UNLESS, Management sees a reason to actually negotiate and get off these Four Steaming Piles. Er, I mean Four Pillars.

 

[G4dude]

The Railway Labor Act, which unfortunately governs this process, is very specific about timelines. Our union can, and certainly will have to, hold a vote to authorize a strike. But we can't just magically wave our hands and-poof-we're on strike. We haven't even gotten a mediator involved. Yet.

Unless pressure is ramped up OUTSIDE the negotiating room, there is ZERO incentive for the company to accelerate the process.

At some point a mediator will be appointed and, in all likelihood, will someday declare an impasse, a cooling off period, and THEN possibly release both sides to self help. But that will take time. UNLESS, Management sees a reason to actually negotiate and get off these Four Steaming Piles. Er, I mean Four Pillars.

Is your name really Albert?

 

[G4dude]

Watch the video. I am talking about managements in general, not ours in specific. But note we no longer have the management that built the service and safety. It's all on you now.

Well, I certainly want to change management, bless their little pea picking hearts.

 

[G4dude]

We are still in negotiations 2 years worth actually.

G4Dude wants us to negotiate but that position is dramatically discounted when people like him are willing to SCAB. The company has been sending out feelers on who are "like minded" and are doing far more to prepare than they did last time around.

Basically the company has come to play and they are ready. When pilots are weak it bolsters their resolve. When they aren't participating and only choosing which parts of the union they want to be involved with it bolsters their resolve.

They aren't going to give an inch this time around. If you're questionable whether you are going to SCAB or not now, jesus imagine what your thoughts are when you have to make the choice.

Weak dicks, pilots own worst enemy.

I haven't gotten any feelers. What the HECK are they waiting for? And I doubt the low number of Scabs will make any difference to the company. The intimidation by the hooligans will see to that.

 

[ultrarunner]

We are still in negotiations 2 years worth....

And no one has requested mediation????