NJA announces 1000 applications for pilot positions

[Sky Captain]

So did Brian quit to find a better job, or was he fired during one of managements purges ?

Someone said he took an early out package in 2009. He might be in management but he is not a pilot on our seniority list.

 

[realityman]

Funny stuff. Less than a dozen let go out of 3000 and it's a management purge. The reasons for termination were valid. If you're being told they weren't, you're being lied to.
SG

They were valid reasons to face discipline. None of them rose to the level of termination.

They fired more people in the last year than in the previous 10 years, but it's all normal?

I don't think it's supposed to be a "purge". But they are definitely using terminations to intimidate and send a message as opposed to valid discipline.

 

[Some guy]

I thought most pilots knew major carriers carry around 12,000 apps on file and would see the messily 1,000 number as a laughable number. Especially in a company prepared press release. Sorry I needed to explain it.

So you mean NJ only receiving 1000 apps in a couple weeks is a laughable number. I misunderstood. Maybe they would have more applicants had the website not crashed due to website traffic. Maybe many applicants aren't interested in a place that sucks so bad that nobody leaves and upgrades are 20 years away.

SG

 

[Some guy]

They were valid reasons to face discipline. None of them rose to the level of termination.

They fired more people in the last year than in the previous 10 years, but it's all normal?

I don't think it's supposed to be a "purge". But they are definitely using terminations to intimidate and send a message as opposed to valid discipline.

And aren't some of them already back on the property? What level constitutes termination? Calling off sick and not being sick? Stealing? A member with a long history of being a dooshbag misses an airline just to make a point? (This last one had a dui on duty years ago, urinated on an aircraft on camera, and manned an owner). Those sitting on his right wanted nothing to do with him and neither did anyone on the other end of the phone. Was he worthy?

SG

 

[T-1GUY]

I was thinking that when attrition goes from 0ne or two a month to about a dozen a month, something is wrong that so many are leaving. I see we have a new company sponsor on board. Welcome some guy.

 

[Some guy]

It's not about being a company sponsor. Sure I like the company I work for. I'm sure you do too. At the end of the day, it's not a bad job. If the topic of the day is all negative, I add in the last 5% for added perspective. I haven't said anyone here is wrong. On the flip side, you likely know I'm not wrong either.

SG

 

[realityman]

And aren't some of them already back on the property? What level constitutes termination? Calling off sick and not being sick? Stealing? A member with a long history of being a dooshbag misses an airline just to make a point? (This last one had a dui on duty years ago, urinated on an aircraft on camera, and manned an owner). Those sitting on his right wanted nothing to do with him and neither did anyone on the other end of the phone. Was he worthy?

SG

I think one or two have been returned. So what does that tell you about what a terminable offense is? An unbiased outside observer (the arbitrator) agreed that the reasons for termination were bogus.

Who says the guy who missed an airline dd it to make a point? I've missed airline connections that were way too tight. What point was I trying to make? Your characterization of him as a "dooshbag" is exactly why we need a union. What does that have to do with being terminated? Do you think we should really go down the road of firing people because others may not like them? That's incredibly subjective and shouldn't be grounds for termination. By the way, that guy, and most of the others, didn't have one single other discipline issue in their files. I don't give a crap about hearsay or what we "know" about someone. They officially had NOT been reprimanded for anything else, so the company fires them on the first offense? And that's reasonable?

By the way, calling sick for things other than actually being sick had been standard past practice here for as long as I can remember. Almost everyone has done it at one time or another. It was never questioned. And why should it be? In reality they are our days to use. Not sure why it would make any difference to the company whether we were using our earned days for illness or something else. Out is out, and burns those days anyway. Never caused any issues for anyone. However, the CBA is pretty specific about what's an allowable use of sick days, so if the company wanted to deviate from past practice, don't you think it would've been appropriate to tell us before firing someone for doing something the company never used to have an issue with?

No, most (I didn't say all) of the firings were unjustified. This is intimidation plain and simple.

 

[Sky Captain]

So you mean NJ only receiving 1000 apps in a couple weeks is a laughable number. I misunderstood. Maybe they would have more applicants had the website not crashed due to website traffic. Maybe many applicants aren't interested in a place that sucks so bad that nobody leaves and upgrades are 20 years away.

SG

You work in HR? How did you know the computers crashed? Well it is IJet servers so very logical. Tell Brian Gallagher hello when you see him.

Since you are in HR, can you tell us how many furloughees came back to NJA and how many didn't? Is the hiring for growth or for attrition?

 

[Some guy]

I can't judge what is justifiable or not. The company isn't very public about what what they have on these guys either, so I presume neither one of us knows everything. I would say that if you're going to call off to go hunting, don't post on a public Facebook page something to the effect of "sorry NetJets, I have better things to do" with a picture of yourself wearing camo and holding a rifle the day you call off sick.

Sure, many rules hadn't been enforced for years, but that doesn't make it ok either. I don't know if these were first offenses either.

There are the 3%ers, then there was one dooshbag. The only one I could truly say was a dbag in my 14 years with the company. He was the guy that caused his brothers / sisters to work harder nearly every single day he was on duty in addition to the few things I mentioned. I don't want to see anyone of you guys out of a job, but I was elated when he left.

Back to the original point many posts ago. Less than a dozen terminated is hardly a management campaign. I Don't know what tactics are being played, or why. If you're telling me that you believe there aren't a few that have the intent to truly hurt the company, you're lying to yourself.

 

[Some guy]

You work in HR? How did you know the computers crashed? Well it is IJet servers so very logical. Tell Brian Gallagher hello when you see him.

Since you are in HR, can you tell us how many furloughees came back to NJA and how many didn't? Is the hiring for growth or for attrition?

I work for the company and tend to know when things happen. It's called communication and observation. I have nothing to do with HR. I don't know what happened to Brian (who I believe was once a temp ACP). If you're on the roster, wouldn't you know how many deferred and how many didn't? I thought was about 50/50, but that was early in the recall process. The company needs x amount of pilots per aircraft. The number of aircraft in the operation is slowly rising, so the hiring will have to be for both.

Just because I don't hate every aspect of the company I work for doesn't mean I work in HR, or in management, or etc... You can be irritated about my posts all you want, but you can't tell me my perspective is wrong.

SG