NJA announces 1000 applications for pilot positions

[Some guy]

Oh... You are a management guy. Now your first posts where I thought you were in HR makes sense.

Glad u agree erosion tape coming off the vertical tail is an AOG item. Now, will you tell the CMH CPs that a patch coming off the tail deice boots should also be an AOG instead of a MEL.

Not management either. Maybe next I'll be one of the lawyers. After that, can I be one of the security contractors? Just because we differ in some opinions doesn't make me belong to a group you think is out to get you.

SG

 

[Some guy]

I'm not saying its unsafe. It's in the MEL, if I get ramped and a FED asks me why peeling erosion tape isn't documented I get violated. So if I see it peeling it gets written up. That is a bad example.

Agreed. Again, I don't have the books with me at the moment. I thought a maintenance action was required to trim the peeled area, and then it can be placed on MEL.
There is no such thing as a good example, so I won't even try. Send it in captain.

SG

 

[ce750drvr]

Some Guy,
As a former ACP, punitive scheduling DOES happen. I was there at a time when the ACP's sat between MCC and the schedulers. I've heard it, I've seen it and I have intervened in it to the point it became an awkward situation when I had to call the ADO. You have made some great points and I commend your attitude in your conversation, it is much appreciated. But just because you have never actually seen or heard it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm here to tell you, it happens.

drvr

 

[Some guy]

Some Guy,
As a former ACP, punitive scheduling DOES happen. I was there at a time when the ACP's sat between MCC and the schedulers. I've heard it, I've seen it and I have intervened in it to the point it became an awkward situation when I had to call the ADO. You have made some great points and I commend your attitude in your conversation, it is much appreciated. But just because you have never actually seen or heard it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm here to tell you, it happens.

drvr

How long ago were you in the office?

 

[CA1900]

You may be getting questions on maintenance gripes, but you should be getting no pushback.

We know we should be getting no pushback, but that's not reality. The reality is that we are getting pushback. I don't doubt that's because maintenance is feeling pressure, but it's still not acceptable.

 

[Some guy]

We know we should be getting no pushback, but that's not reality. The reality is that we are getting pushback. I don't doubt that's because maintenance is feeling pressure, but it's still not acceptable.

Is it an attitude problem or are your concerns are being discounted? Again, escalate if you're being told to carry it. That shouldn't be happening.

 

[ce750drvr]

how long ago were you in the office?

2010-2011

 

[Some guy]

2010-2011

I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you did or did not experience. I can tell you it's not common practice. They don't sit at theirs desks with the attitude of "I'm going to show him (or her)". I will tell you that as the day unfolds many decisions are made. Occasionally someone will speak out and say you can't do ___ because it could be construed at punitive scheduling. When that happens, it's discussed and another route may be chosen. I'm sure there are things that happen that many of you don't like. I don't believe for a minute that that these things are planned or are intended to be punitive. Maybe it was different a dozen years ago, but not now. All of us in our bubble know how demanding your daily routine is and you won't hear anyone say your job is easy. If they did, I'd be the first to disagree.

SG

 

[ce750drvr]

I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you did or did not experience. I can tell you it's not common practice. They don't sit at theirs desks with the attitude of "I'm going to show him (or her)". I will tell you that as the day unfolds many decisions are made. Occasionally someone will speak out and say you can't do ___ because it could be construed at punitive scheduling. When that happens, it's discussed and another route may be chosen. I'm sure there are things that happen that many of you don't like. I don't believe for a minute that that these things are planned or are intended to be punitive. Maybe it was different a dozen years ago, but not now. All of us in our bubble know how demanding your daily routine is and you won't hear anyone say your job is easy. If they did, I'd be the first to disagree.

SG

SG, I'm not saying it's common practice, but I am saying it does happen. I was in ear shot on several occasions. When the ADO got involved, I overheard it before the pilot called in. That is why I intervened. I was a direct witness to their conversation prior to the phone call.

drvr

 

[Sky Captain]

Not management either. Maybe next I'll be one of the lawyers. After that, can I be one of the security contractors? Just because we differ in some opinions doesn't make me belong to a group you think is out to get you.

SG

Wait..what? I thought u wrote somewhere that u r a MX Controller working next to the schedulers in the SOC? That's a non-management position?

Not sarcasm either. U seem a little paranoid with last reply. I wasn't trying to be insulting.

Now, how about those patches on the tail deice boots?

 

[Some guy]

Wait..what? I thought u wrote somewhere that u r a MX Controller working next to the schedulers in the SOC? That's a non-management position?

Not sarcasm either. U seem a little paranoid with last reply. I wasn't trying to be insulting.

Now, how about those patches on the tail deice boots?

I said I work with them. I am not one of them nor am I paranoid about anything. just thought it was funny you were making guesses. Patches are AOG.

SG


js

 

[Diesel]

only speaking in the reality I have experienced man, it is like reality man. Are you saying not all unions are BETTER unions?

Hey pilot yip where did your career go to die?

 

[ghostrider64]

The only pilots I've known whom did not receive pushback from maintenance, are the ones that never send in a grounding item...hmmmmm

Get er done!

 

[pilotyip]

Hey pilot yip where did your career go to die?

Didn't die; still alive and kicking and I am having a ball thank you. There is so much to be thankful for

 

[Some guy]

The only pilots I've known whom did not receive pushback from maintenance, are the ones that never send in a grounding item...hmmmmm

Get er done!

The only ones?

Maybe your circle of friends is quite small. Everyone knows aircraft break. They are machines. Broken airplanes aren't the problem nor do the controllers have an issue with real AOG problems. If you deny that a few of your cohorts don't find reasons not to fly, then you also live a sheltered life. You know it, I know it, most and everyone knows it. I know you're smarter than to believe it doesn't happen.

SG

 

[Diesel]

The only ones?

Maybe your circle of friends is quite small. Everyone knows aircraft break. They are machines. Broken airplanes aren't the problem nor do the controllers have an issue with real AOG problems. If you deny that a few of your cohorts don't find reasons not to fly, then you also live a sheltered life. You know it, I know it, most and everyone knows it. I know you're smarter than to believe it doesn't happen.

SG

What you know and what you can prove are two very different things.

If it's broke its broke. You don't need to find a reason not to fly unless you're recommending carrying broken items.

 

[flexpilot]

There is a lot of discretion on what constitutes an aircraft write up.

 

[Some guy]

What you know and what you can prove are two very different things.

If it's broke its broke. You don't need to find a reason not to fly unless you're recommending carrying broken items.

Agree and agree. I do not recommend carrying broken items. Are you denying my comment about those who find reasons to not go? I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking if you agree that it happens.

SG

 

[Diesel]

Agree and agree. I do not recommend carrying broken items. Are you denying my comment about those who find reasons to not go? I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking if you agree that it happens.



SG

If something is broken it's broken. Some guys are more anal than other guys. But it's still broken and needs to be fixed.

 

[Some guy]

If something is broken it's broken. Some guys are more anal than other guys. But it's still broken and needs to be fixed.

I can respect you not wanting to answer the question. It's all good.

SG.

 

[Diesel]

I can respect you not wanting to answer the question. It's all good.



SG.

It's not that I don't want to answer the question.

It really is like saying what shade is the sky. You'll get a bunch of different answers.

I've flown with guys that take 2 hours to go through every inch of the plane and the paperwork. Then the next day another guy will just make sure the wings are on and if it's clear it's broken it's broken.

I like to say I'm glad there are guys like the first guy checking the signature of the weight and balance of the log book is signed in the right ink because it keeps guys like me trying to remember which book the weight and balance is actually in to balance it all out.

 

[Some guy]

It's not that I don't want to answer the question.

It really is like saying what shade is the sky. You'll get a bunch of different answers.

I've flown with guys that take 2 hours to go through every inch of the plane and the paperwork. Then the next day another guy will just make sure the wings are on and if it's clear it's broken it's broken.

I like to say I'm glad there are guys like the first guy checking the signature of the weight and balance of the log book is signed in the right ink because it keeps guys like me trying to remember which book the weight and balance is actually in to balance it all out.

I'm with you. Everyone has their own specifics they look for. And it's always ok to ask questions. And contrary to many things said here, aside from attitude, there isn't the pushback that some claim there is. At times I'm sure it may feel that way. I know you guys get beat up on a daily basis and to call at the end of the (14 hour) day with maintenance gripes and get an attitude in return probably pisses you off. It would me!

Let me change the original question. What do you know about the practice of pilots carrying a small bag of burned out light bulbs? No it can't be proven. Yes I know it happens. Just curious what your thoughts are on it.

SG

 

[gunfyter]

YGTBFSM!

where in the world would I get burned out lightbulbs?

 

[Some guy]

YGTBFSM!

where in the world would I get burned out lightbulbs?

They're pretty cheap actually and can be found from numerous sources and collected over time.

SG

 

[T-1GUY]

I can honestly say no I have never seen a guy playing games not to fly. I can however say that I have flown with some real crazies who were willing to do whatever it takes to get the "mission" done.

 

[CA1900]

Let me change the original question. What do you know about the practice of pilots carrying a small bag of burned out light bulbs?

I'm with gunfyter; where in the heck would a pilot get a bag of burnt out bulbs? That sounds like one of the general's famous tales.

Besides, many of these are running well over 10,000 hours. Older planes break more. They certainly don't need this hypothetical bulb-carrying pilot to help things along.

 

[Some guy]

I'm with gunfyter; where in the heck would a pilot get a bag of burnt out bulbs? That sounds like one of the general's famous tales.

Besides, many of these are running well over 10,000 hours. Older planes break more. They certainly don't need this hypothetical bulb-carrying pilot to help things along.

Hypothetical? I heard of the practice years ago. And over the years I'd talk to you guys coming through the office and throw it in the conversation. In return I'd get a smirk and admission that it occurs. In the two dozen or so times I've asked about it, it was never denied that it occurs. I never asked for names or any other specifics. I know that it happens. I suppose shouldn't expect anything but denial on these boards. I'm not accusing anyone directly, but I know you know it occurs.

Techs throwing away bulbs in the galley trash. Or even replacing a bad bulb for use at a later time. Burned out bulbs are not hard to find.

SG

 

[CA1900]

I'm not accusing anyone directly, but I know you know it occurs.

In the thousands of flights I've done here, I've never once seen willful sabotage. If you believe it's occurring, then you need to call the FBI, because that's a crime.

If you really think we're digging through the trash for discarded bulbs in order to falsely ground airplanes, then I'm speechless.

 

[T-1GUY]

This is the biggest pile of manure that I have ever heard of. You have got to be $hitting me. You have a lot of nerve coming on a pilot board spewing that crap. I heard that management stoolies have been assigned to find pilot boards to try and spread false accusations in order to sidetrack the truth of what is really going on at the company. I know you won't admit it, but I know you know it is true.

 

[Some guy]

In the thousands of flights I've done here, I've never once seen willful sabotage. If you believe it's occurring, then you need to call the FBI, because that's a crime.

If you really think we're digging through the trash for discarded bulbs in order to falsely ground airplanes, then I'm speechless.

It's not that I think it. I have been told by your peers it occurs. I agree it's a crime, but it goes back to Diesel's statement of "what you know and what you can prove are two different things". What is silly is you and I both (and likely everyone here) knows that if you look hard enough, every aircraft in the universe could be grounded for something. It's not hard to do and to resort to something like this is weak.

As far as you not witnessing it, I believe that's entirely possible. If you scroll through my past comments, you'll see it that I believe there it's a small number of your group that creates problems. Every group regardless of industry has them. I'm speechless that nobody here has ever heard of such things.

SG