NJ Recalls

[BentOver]

AcaTerry...

I think I can help solve this whole debate.....

While some guys have a chip on their shoulder or whatnot.. You have to realize that most , if not all of the furloughees ( or any seasoned pilot for that matter ), doesn't need to be advised of a whole lot.... I think what happens is guys like you, who feel they have to teach the "young guys" how it is, don't realize the breadth of experience everyone has at this point in their careers.

At my current company, every once in a while, I'll get a senior ( or junior captain) who feels the need to explain unions, company, aviation or any combination thereof..... I realize they are just trying to be helpful, but the "lesson" was unsolicitated... If I feel the need to have something explained.....I'll ask..

A lot of returning furloughees are of the same mindset... It's not their first trip to NJA, or aviation, or union contracts... They probably don't need your advice... If they want it they will ask.... But they definitely do not need someone telling them how important your next contract is, or how they should not be weak against management.

 

[acaTerry]

AcaTerry...

I think I can help solve this whole debate.....

While some guys have a chip on their shoulder or whatnot.. You have to realize that most , if not all of the furloughees ( or any seasoned pilot for that matter ), doesn't need to be advised of a whole lot.... I think what happens is guys like you, who feel they have to teach the "young guys" how it is, don't realize the breadth of experience everyone has at this point in their careers.

At my current company, every once in a while, I'll get a senior ( or junior captain) who feels the need to explain unions, company, aviation or any combination thereof..... I realize they are just trying to be helpful, but the "lesson" was unsolicitated... If I feel the need to have something explained.....I'll ask..

A lot of returning furloughees are of the same mindset... It's not their first trip to NJA, or aviation, or union contracts... They probably don't need your advice... If they want it they will ask.... But they definitely do not need someone telling them how important your next contract is, or how they should not be weak against management.

Bent,

Good points but I invite you to go read the simple surface of the original post I made. I'm not preaching or teaching anyone. I was not offering advice, I'm not Dear Abby. It was just a welcome back with a well wish and a little something to look out for. If that comes off as preachy, then the problem is with the receiver and I am done justifying myself to oversensitivity. Besides, call me too old school but I tend to listen to people who have been somewhere or done something before me. They often have something worth listening to. But not everyone can handle a dose of humility and listen to anyone else. Too much esteem-building and Ritalin in the day care centers I guess.
I talk to plenty of the furloughees in person and in different forums, and only one has been offended by the post. In fact, I've even showed it around and asked around if that post was offensive to them. Only ONE person has said that so far. Even my hippie left wing brother in law, who is offended by EVERYTHING found nothing there. So again, I'll just shrug my shoulders and move along. I can't help it if someone insists on being upset.
So far as I'm concerned its all water under the bridge.
My only regret is having been a part of the thread hijacking and I'm going to drop it here and let the thread get back on course. Speaking of which, I am betting that the Sept 28th class is far from being the last.

 

[gutshotdraw]

You know, I have been pleasantly surprised by the behavior of ASAP overall. The informational picketing is kinda embarrassing, but the whole ASAP package is much better than the Teamsters, for instance. I am tentatively concluding the following: in house unions are probably always better than outside unions, by a wide margin.

You know I love ya, right amigo?

It's absolutely time to picket. If you had asked me three or four years ago if I would walk in a circle carrying a sign, I would have called JoAnn to order the drug test.

But this guy running our company (into the ground) needs a wake-up call. The man in Omaha needs a wake-up call.

Did you READ their proposal? They would have you working for table scraps and have you paying ALL of your health care costs (which THEY get to determine) while your peer group in the profession is deciding which retirement condo to buy and whether they REALLY need to fly to age 65.

If I wasn't working my OTHER job on the 22nd (yes, I'm cultivating a back-up career), I would ABSOLUTELY be picketing in SNA a week from Monday.

You need the get used to the fact that this ain't Richie's NetJets anymore, NJI is dead, and the skinny dude with the goofy haircut wants to DESTROY your career.

 

[G4dude]

You know I love ya, right amigo?

It's absolutely time to picket. If you had asked me three or four years ago if I would walk in a circle carrying a sign, I would have called JoAnn to order the drug test.

But this guy running our company (into the ground) needs a wake-up call. The man in Omaha needs a wake-up call.

Did you READ their proposal? They would have you working for table scraps and have you paying ALL of your health care costs (which THEY get to determine) while your peer group in the profession is deciding which retirement condo to buy and whether they REALLY need to fly to age 65.

If I wasn't working my OTHER job on the 22nd (yes, I'm cultivating a back-up career), I would ABSOLUTELY be picketing in SNA a week from Monday.

You need the get used to the fact that this ain't Richie's NetJets anymore, NJI is dead, and the skinny dude with the goofy haircut wants to DESTROY your career.

I always respect your opinion, but what has Hansell done that's so bad? We work harder than we used to, and it is not as enjoyable as it was, but the job is still one of the best around. I suspect you have had some things happen that I have been spared. Care to elucidate on PM? BTW, I am also working on a backup career.

 

[BentOver]

Bent,

Good points but I invite you to go read the simple surface of the original post I made. I'm not preaching or teaching anyone. I was not offering advice, I'm not Dear Abby. It was just a welcome back with a well wish and a little something to look out for. If that comes off as preachy, then the problem is with the receiver and I am done justifying myself to oversensitivity. Besides, call me too old school but I tend to listen to people who have been somewhere or done something before me. They often have something worth listening to. But not everyone can handle a dose of humility and listen to anyone else. Too much esteem-building and Ritalin in the day care centers I guess.
I talk to plenty of the furloughees in person and in different forums, and only one has been offended by the post. In fact, I've even showed it around and asked around if that post was offensive to them. Only ONE person has said that so far. Even my hippie left wing brother in law, who is offended by EVERYTHING found nothing there. So again, I'll just shrug my shoulders and move along. I can't help it if someone insists on being upset.
So far as I'm concerned its all water under the bridge.
My only regret is having been a part of the thread hijacking and I'm going to drop it here and let the thread get back on course. Speaking of which, I am betting that the Sept 28th class is far from being the last.

Just fly the plane and don't worry about or feel the need to be anything to the other guy besides another pilot occupying the same 4x4 ft.space in the front of the plane...

To much advice giving already exists in aviation..... Point A to point B.... As easy and efficiently as possible....

 

[pilotyip]

You need the get used to the fact that this ain't Richie's NetJets anymore, NJI is dead, and the skinny dude with the goofy haircut wants to DESTROY your career.

with $13B+ A/C on order is destroying someone's career?

Yip,

I have never seen a company that got a union that didn't deserve one. I wish things were different but unfortunately they are not. The other unfortunate thing is that it becomes a game. A game that affects many many lives and is truly unnecessary. This is what we have so must play and sometimes that means using the nuclear option. When management no longer wants to negotiate in good faith then the bombs must fall.

My mom told me to never play with Nuc's someone could get hurt.

 

[KiddDynomite]

Yip,

First off the $13B aircraft order is only a announcement. We are not seeing those aircraft in the numbers we need. The fact is NJA is NOT taking an aircraft or even having it built intil it is completely sold out of shares. With restrictive terms like this Bombardier also has its outs. They have sold airframes we needed out from under us because a customer has nacked out of their share and NJA refused devlivery. They cannot sit on an airframe. There was a time when NJA placed an order and took firm delivers. We still can but this EMT wants to so everything on the cheap and in piece meal. It's not working.


As for the NUC, this is what happens when you decide to megotiate in bad faith with all four of your organized labor groups. They brought it on themselves bu gutting The FA's contract, gutting dispatch and placing unreasonable workloads on our dispatchers. Dis you know that pur dispatchers have about minute, yes only one minute to create a flight release? Just another dagger in the heart of safety. You're an intelligent man but for goodness sake do you honestly think that motivated professionals really want to picket and get heavy handed with a company they loved and were proud of? The truth is NO but this new EMT has taken something to be proud of and turned it into a joke. All anyone wants is to be treated as professionals and compensated fairly not to be beaten, kicked and told you're worthless. We don't haul boxes, we fly the wealthiest people in the world. They pay alot for a motivated workforce and outstanding service. The employees used to be that workforce but this management has made it very clear that is not who they want working for them and it is definitely not the service they want to provide. To the it's just a ride in a jet. It never was to us!

 

[gutshotdraw]

I always respect your opinion, but what has Hansell done that's so bad? We work harder than we used to, and it is not as enjoyable as it was, but the job is still one of the best around. I suspect you have had some things happen that I have been spared. Care to elucidate on PM? BTW, I am also working on a backup career.

Oh good grief bud!

Where do I START?

It sounds as if we need to have a THREE BEER conversation. The standard two beers probably won't be adequate...

 

[VGerect]

I always respect your opinion, but what has Hansell done that's so bad? We work harder than we used to, and it is not as enjoyable as it was, but the job is still one of the best around. I suspect you have had some things happen that I have been spared. Care to elucidate on PM? BTW, I am also working on a backup career.

Holy battered wife syndrome Batman.

Can any of you NJI guys do an intervention with this guy ?

 

[brokeflyer]

I always respect your opinion, but what has Hansell done that's so bad? We work harder than we used to, and it is not as enjoyable as it was, but the job is still one of the best around. I suspect you have had some things happen that I have been spared. Care to elucidate on PM? BTW, I am also working on a backup career.

wow, You are proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

do you stare at frozen juice cans because they say, "concentrate"?

 

[jonjuan]

Oh good grief bud!

Where do I START?

It sounds as if we need to have a THREE BEER conversation. The standard two beers probably won't be adequate...

How about starting at the BEGINNING. We're waiting................

 

[jonjuan]

wow, You are proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

Hi gramps.....

 

[brokeflyer]

Hi gramps.....

wassup

 

[ghostrider64]

I always respect your opinion, but what has Hansell done that's so bad? We work harder than we used to, and it is not as enjoyable as it was, but the job is still one of the best around. I suspect you have had some things happen that I have been spared. Care to elucidate on PM? BTW, I am also working on a backup career.

Here's the most aggregious thing he has done...

Next month one of two of our recently fired pilots were scheduled for an arbitration. Arbitration is protected under the CBA. Instead of going to the MUTUALLY AGREED TO ARBITRATION, Hansell at the last minute decided he doesnt like the arbitrator, and cancels it.

I'm sorry, but when someone gets fired, they deserve the respect to be heard and quickly. But your dearest Jordan Hansell doesn't feel that way about them OR YOU!!!

You see the company is firing folks for complete BS, because they can and then it's the unions responsibility to ensure the grievance process is respected. However the company is disregarding, and disrespecting, the UNION and us. I suspect if the company actually chose to dig through your years of service, they could come up with a thing or two you could be terminated for, whether it was a POLICY you didn't know about, or something as small as carrying a lightbulb MEL, instead of actually writing it up at discovery.

The slope isn't slippery, it's covered in ice, and the company has been emboldening by the lack of response from the PILOTS!!!!

THATS why the time to PICKET is now!!!!!

I hope to see some of our furloughed brothers and sisters joining us on the line SEPT 22nd at TEB, CMH and SNA....we'll need you because guys like G4 apparently will NEVER join our UNION and we need all the help we can get.

 

[brokeflyer]

guys like G4 apparently will NEVER join our UNION and we need all the help we can get.

g4 uses both sides of the toilet to paper to save the company money....well done!!