New SkyWest pay proposal....anyone?

[HelloNewman]

I say we vote this in, vote down the union. When we want another raise we can start a new union drive!! ALPA says this is the "last chance" but that is BS. They will always be chasing our dues money. Basically everytime we want a raise keep doing the union threat. It has worked pretty well so far. Lets face it its going to be a 2% paycut for years. This is a fair raise. No raise for the brasillia sucks but it is a dying fleet. We get the rates seperated and we can work on getting another raise later.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

They are! They're taking the 700's away! The next one comes off the ASA certificate next week.

Nobody wins in a situation like this. You can have a great rate, but if you don't have anything bigger than a 200, then who came out ahead?

I hope something gets resolved in the next couple of weeks.

I hope something gets resolved as well, and I am hopeful it will. I believe you are a SKW pilot, and seeing the combined payscale probably going away gives me some hope that we will settle something as well. The Union and the Company are going back to the table later this month, so time will tell about this latest round of negotiations.

As far as the 700's being transfered, yes a great rate means nothing without the airframes, but I refuse to fly the 70-seater for less than I am already being paid on an already expired agreement. If I am going to be paid to fly at our 50-seat wages than I would rather fly the 50-seat aircraft.

It's definately a slippery slope either way.

 

[SSDD]

That's a hollow victory. Let me pose this question: What would you do if the new rate that gets approved, is less than you're actually getting, but more than the 50 seater?

I have opossed SAPA, and management at every step, but as Clint said, a man has to know his limitations.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I say we vote this in, vote down the union. When we want another raise we can start a new union drive!! ALPA says this is the "last chance" but that is BS. They will always be chasing our dues money. Basically everytime we want a raise keep doing the union threat. It has worked pretty well so far. Lets face it its going to be a 2% paycut for years. This is a fair raise. No raise for the brasillia sucks but it is a dying fleet. We get the rates seperated and we can work on getting another raise later.

What planet are you from? The majority of the pilots either get no COLA for 10 years, or a whopping .1% per year(last 6 years with no COLA, and locked in for 4 more)...and you call this a "fair raise"???????

 

[Stifler's Mom]

That's a hollow victory. Let me pose this question: What would you do if the new rate that gets approved, is less than you're actually getting, but more than the 50 seater?

I have opossed SAPA, and management at every step, but as Clint said, a man has to know his limitations.

Hmmm, let me see. I would hope that if for some reason we (ASA) accepted a contract that was less in pay than the current rate, we could make it up in other areas (ie, trip and duty rigs) I might be ok with it.

I consider myself to be a fence sitter in this whole mess we are all in. Do I want to take a paycut or a concessionary contract? No, but I also don't want to see my career disappear at the same time.

Right now, management is offering a 2 year pay freeze on our current 700 rates. Not something I care for, but if I were to be offered something for that in exchange than maybe so.

This is my first contract negotiation, so my learning curve is steep as I trudge through this whole process.

 

[mckpickle]

I don't get it.....you guys talk about selling out the 120 guys but look at the increase in pay rates for the CRJ. It's less than 2%. What is your longevity increase? Talk about selling someone else. You're selling out yourselves all around!

 

[mckpickle]

I say we vote this in, vote down the union. When we want another raise we can start a new union drive!! ALPA says this is the "last chance" but that is BS. They will always be chasing our dues money. Basically everytime we want a raise keep doing the union threat. It has worked pretty well so far. Lets face it its going to be a 2% paycut for years. This is a fair raise. No raise for the brasillia sucks but it is a dying fleet. We get the rates seperated and we can work on getting another raise later.

You really don't know how ALPA works do you? Skywest will COST ALPA money! No one at ALPA gives 2 shiits about your dues money. As a smaller carrier you will spend more money that you take from your pilots. You will be given money from ALPA from the general fund. Thats how it works. The benefit for ALPA is that you finaly get off your lazy as$es and start contributing to the industry instead of being part of the problem.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The last one from the company may not have been, but how about their opening offer? 13% pay decrease for me as a 700 F/O, seems "concessionary" to the tune of approximately $5,000 per year.

Why wasn't ASA able to "force" that on me?

1. If we weren't union, that probably wouldn't have been the opening offer. However they are playing the same negotiating game we are.

2. If they transfer airplanes, they will force it on you, regardless of ALPA's objections. Many ASA pilots will suffer 10-13% paycuts with the loss of 70 seaters. It is being "forced" on you, you just don't realize it.....

 

[FlySacto]

Relax peaches. There's stew that refers to it as "The Brasildo".

Just to keep rumors alive, I've seen her "kitty". This pay proposal doesn't deserve comment. I guess I'm just jaded by having worked outside this industry. Too F'ing funny!!!

 

[atrdriver]

1. If we weren't union, that probably wouldn't have been the opening offer. However they are playing the same negotiating game we are.

Come on now Joe. If we weren't union, management would have long ago imposed whatever they wanted on us. George and John, Skippy, and now BL have all shown their true colors over time, and the union is the only thing protecting our pilot group to keep what we have.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Come on now Joe. If we weren't union, management would have long ago imposed whatever they wanted on us. George and John, Skippy, and now BL have all shown their true colors over time, and the union is the only thing protecting our pilot group to keep what we have.

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

 

[Speedtape]

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

For those who don't know, Joey is not UNION! He just pays dues, doesn't uphold his duties to an elected position, sues the Union based on arguments with his circular reasoning, and is just a plain malcontent in life (taking great pride in it)!

 

[atrdriver]

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

The defined benefit retirement is something to trade, as most here know that it is not something that we are going to get. But, increased 401K contributions and monthly matching instead of yearly is something that is vital to get. Maybe the "used car" dickering is counter productive, but that is how ALL union negotiations go, not just under the RLA. JA opens close to his final offer, but what if what he opens with is not sufficiant? That is where the Skywest pilots are right now, and if they vote no they have nothing to show for it. At least with a union we have someplace to go after a no vote.

And thanks, I hope you know that I enjoyed flying with both you and L, and that while I disagree with you that doesn't mean that I don't have great respect for both of you...The one thing that I will really miss will be the people. We have one of the best pilot groups in the industry.

 

[Hootie9750]

As for the new guys . . . I was hired here when we were not paid during training and made $19/hr for the first year. FNG's will get an hourly raise on their pay during training, so I don't want to hear it.

Not our fault you chose to work for free. There is NO Fvcking way I'd do two months of powerpoints slides and sims if I wasn't getting paid.

 

[HelloNewman]

You really don't know how ALPA works do you? Skywest will COST ALPA money! No one at ALPA gives 2 shiits about your dues money. As a smaller carrier you will spend more money that you take from your pilots. You will be given money from ALPA from the general fund. Thats how it works. The benefit for ALPA is that you finaly get off your lazy as$es and start contributing to the industry instead of being part of the problem.

Ummm I am happy right here on my recliner, thanks for the offer though. Don't worry we will call ALPA next time we want another raise raise. I don't believe for a minute that it is unprofitable for alpa.

 

[mckpickle]

Ummm I am happy right here on my recliner, thanks for the offer though. Don't worry we will call ALPA next time we want another raise raise. I don't believe for a minute that it is unprofitable for alpa.

Think whatever you'd like, however I know for a fact that Express Jet ALPA spends more than it takes in dues.

ANd just keep sitting on your as$ while the rest of us try to pull this industry up while jerkoffs like you fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat wages.

 

[HelloNewman]

Think whatever you'd like, however I know for a fact that Express Jet ALPA spends more than it takes in dues.

ANd just keep sitting on your as$ while the rest of us try to pull this industry up while jerkoffs like you fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat wages.

say what you must but our 50/70 seat wage is still above most regionals. Don't even chime in on the "90 seater" because we have no 90 seaters at SkyWest. only 900 models with 70-76 seats. Thanks for the offer but I will be taking my family out to dinner instead of paying dues. In fact when the raise kicks in I will be taking my family out for dinner even more. When we feel like taking our families out to dinner even more than we do now rest assured we will call ALPA to start a union drive. They will once again get excited and we will once again get a raise.

Its a fantastic system really. Don't worry all the other members can fund the next union drive. The money to try and sweet talk us has to come from somewhere right????? Politics sure can suck sometimes but hey it benefits us so might as well use it to our benefit and get a raise when we feel like one. The union drive will probably fail but I am not worried. Rest assured ALPA will be back some day just in time to get us another raise.

 

[CFIT]

You really don't know how ALPA works do you? Skywest will COST ALPA money! No one at ALPA gives 2 shiits about your dues money. As a smaller carrier you will spend more money that you take from your pilots. You will be given money from ALPA from the general fund. Thats how it works. The benefit for ALPA is that you finaly get off your lazy as$es and start contributing to the industry instead of being part of the problem.

If we are so lazy and "part of the problem" why in the hell do you want us to be in your little club?

 

[Popeye0537]

say what you must but our 50/70 seat wage is still above most regionals. Don't even chime in on the "90 seater" because we have no 90 seaters at SkyWest. only 900 models with 70-76 seats. Thanks for the offer but I will be taking my family out to dinner instead of paying dues. In fact when the raise kicks in I will be taking my family out for dinner even more. When we feel like taking our families out to dinner even more than we do now rest assured we will call ALPA to start a union drive. They will once again get excited and we will once again get a raise.

Its a fantastic system really. Don't worry all the other members can fund the next union drive. The money to try and sweet talk us has to come from somewhere right????? Politics sure can suck sometimes but hey it benefits us so might as well use it to our benefit and get a raise when we feel like one. The union drive will probably fail but I am not worried. Rest assured ALPA will be back some day just in time to get us another raise.

Is this the typical view at SKW??

Homo boy, let me explain something to ya.....you do have 90 seaters on property and your getting paid a 50 seat rate to fly it. I don't care how many seats you pull out of it, it's still a 90 Seat A/C. It dosen't matter to you because your still in the right seat, but come upgrade you might not be singing the same tune.

 

[LogbookSlave]

True . . .

Not our fault you chose to work for free. There is NO Fvcking way I'd do two months of powerpoints slides and sims if I wasn't getting paid.

You're right, I didn't say it was anybody's fault. I like where I am at. You're welcome to stay where you are.

I'm happy that new hires are getting paid during training. Anybody that thinks that the money they are being paid is not enough doesn't need to come here. Fortunately, there are still plenty of people who realize that this is a good place to work and are willing to come here at $19/hr for the first year.