It's Official: USAirways Wants American

[abefly]

There are only two legal unions but there are three seniority lists that must be merged. One union must represent two of those lists and of course show the Nic (and describe it legally in the same manner that the 9th did). It would be a gross missrepresentation of fact to present the Nic as a present construction of the USAir system seniority.

You still are not getting how this is going to play out are you.

Ok, one more time.

EAST and WEST will be combined on one Contract before there is any mediation or arbitration with American. So there will only be one list, the NIC, that will be presented to the Arbitrator to be merged with the American List.


That is how Doug has gotten around USAPA and their non-sense.


Get it now?

If the EAST votes no on the contract, then DOUG will wait until APA files for single carrier status. ONce single carrier status is implemented the combined contract will be set out for vote to all pilots. Do you think the 2500 East pilots voting no for section 22 will win?

Doug has his cards in place to end this with or without imput from the East, or West for that matter. The East is going to be beat at their own numbers game. Beautiful if you ask me.

 

[waveflyer]

You sir are not really a pilot if you believe there is any collective honor among union members. :lol: well you can say it but you cannot believe it, not if you have ever paid ALPA dues. :lol:

Unions are us. Unions are always what we make them and I have no room for cynics. But good try.

 

[ackattacker]

EAST and WEST will be combined on one Contract before there is any mediation or arbitration with American. So there will only be one list, the NIC, that will be presented to the Arbitrator to be merged with the American List.

You keep saying this but haven't provided any reference or evidence. I'm prepared to believe you but not just because you say so. Even if what you say is true, in order to be combined on one Contract US Air pilots would have to VOTE for that contract. You think they're going to vote for the nic?

If they vote no then the whole thing goes to negotiation or arbitration with all 3 seniority lists still intact.

 

[abefly]

You keep saying this but haven't provided any reference or evidence. I'm prepared to believe you but not just because you say so. Even if what you say is true, in order to be combined on one Contract US Air pilots would have to VOTE for that contract. You think they're going to vote for the nic?

If they vote no then the whole thing goes to negotiation or arbitration with all 3 seniority lists still intact.

Ok, I have a reference for you,

Prior to the NIC, the east and west both had their own MEC's under ALPA. Both the east and west had seperate ratification for a new contract. Each side had their own vote on a new contract. If one side voted no, then the contract didn't pass.

Once the Nic came out the East did not like the outcome so they started usapa. They knew they out voted the West by 2 to 1. So by petitiioning the NMB for single carrier status they were able to take away the voting rights of the west. Now there is no seperate ratification. All pilots East and West are represented by USAPA. So anytime there is a vote, the EAST has the numbers to always win ( which they have done on every vote for 5 years)

Now how this relates to APA.

Once APA votes in their contract under the merged American, Doug states you will immediately petition the NMB for single carrier status. Just like USAPA did.

This way their will be one union representing the pilot group. APA will represent all of us. So APA will be on their newly voted in contract and east west will be on their seperate old contracts. 2004 loa93

Then the same contract American voted in will be put out to vote again to all pilots. It will contain language that has section 22 as the nic for US Airways and the APA list for American, with a arbitrated seniority list to be determined within 90 days of ratification by Mckaskill/Bond.

This will be sent out to the members for ratification.

8000 plus American Pilots, 1500 west Pilots , 2500 East pilots (rough estimates of course)

So 9500 Pilots against 2500. What do you think will happen?

American doesn't give a crap what list is on section 22 for US Airways. They know they will face no legal issues if it is the NIC. And the Nic will be the quickest way to more money in their pockets.

So the single contract will be in place BEFORE any Arbitration for seniority

Do you understand now?

 

[Crzipilot]

And if APA doesn't like NIC?

 

[abefly]

And if APA doesn't like NIC?

Why do they care?

They only care how the merged APA ?US Air list looks. They don't care what order the list is on the US Air side.

The simple fact is if they vote in the nic, they face no liability.

If they go against the nic, APA will be found guilty of violating their Duty of Fair representation to the west.

Their is no benefit to them allowing anything other than the NIC.

 

[General Lee]

And if APA doesn't like NIC?

They may not. They may like the OLDER USAir guys all at the top, so if they merge and the older USAir pilots retire, the APA pilots might move up the combined list faster. But, I would think DP would see that before that happens, he may have to do the Nic award, and that is one reason he hasn't done anything yet. He is awaiting the Silver decision to see what to do. If he had approved of the East/USAPA list, he would have said so already. He hasn't done anything, partly because he is saving money, and partly because he probably doesn't want to get sued.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[abefly]

They may not. They may like the OLDER USAir guys all at the top, so if they merge and the older USAir pilots retire, the APA pilots might move up the combined list faster. But, I would think DP would see that before that happens, he may have to do the Nic award, and that is one reason he hasn't done anything yet. He is awaiting the Silver decision to see what to do. If he had approved of the East/USAPA list, he would have said so already. He hasn't done anything, partly because he is saving money, and partly because he probably doesn't want to get sued.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Doug and the boys want to remain neutral. Or so they say.

 

[Tweaker]

Where do I sign?

 

[Crzipilot]

Why do they care?

They only care how the merged APA ?US Air list looks. They don't care what order the list is on the US Air side.

The simple fact is if they vote in the nic, they face no liability.

If they go against the nic, APA will be found guilty of violating their Duty of Fair representation to the west.

Their is no benefit to them allowing anything other than the NIC.

You are assuming here that single carrier is established prior to the SLI. What prevents DP and SK and APA going all gangsta on ya, and finally meeting you in that seedy hotel for a week and not so much negotiating as opposed to dictating to the two sides. Ok boys, here is what is going to happen, and here is how it's gonna look. He's got a New Pretty Dance partner, and he's throwing the two scags he's been hooking up a bone...