It's Official: USAirways Wants American

[outerlimits]

I welcome the pay raise part

Did APA discuss seniority integration and how Nic would affect things?

No need to, the easties are a crumb on a plate.

AA has over 10k pilots , the easties are about 2k.


The easties will be lucky to have a job when this is over with.

 

[B-atch]

No need to, the easties are a crumb on a plate.

AA has over 10k pilots , the easties are about 2k.


The easties will be lucky to have a job when this is over with.

..Yeah I hear an FAA emergency license revocation of all east pilots, at your request.. Sir YOU are a TOOL!! get a life...

 

[Turtle21]

No need to, the easties are a crumb on a plate.

AA has over 10k pilots , the easties are about 2k.


The easties will be lucky to have a job when this is over with.

You don't even know how many East pilots are active.... Nor do you realize that the active West pilots are less than half the number of East. Talk about crumbs...

The fastest way forward from a business decision is offer a contract that no one can decline, with condition that SLI will be assumed to be ratified upon arbitrator's decision, of three lists.

 

[anewunion]

This is a power play from the Unions on the AMR side. There are 9 creditors on the Bankruptcy board and this will give them 3 votes. That's it. It's what the call a pipe dream.

 

[On Your Six]

This is a power play from the Unions on the AMR side. There are 9 creditors on the Bankruptcy board and this will give them 3 votes. That's it. It's what the call a pipe dream.

No, it's Parker offering AA creditors more money. They have a plan, mote money for creditors, and unions on their side. The BK judge has to take that into consideration. Parker learned a lot since the attempted DL takeover.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[IBNAV8R]

Rack one up on management's tally board. They learned from the current fiasco. "Merge" companies, cut the the requisite number of pilots. After all, do they REALLY care which ones? Then forget about raises, negotiations, scope or any other pettiness for the next decade while pilots are busy fighting amongst themselves. Not only that but pilots will loudly boast of the fact that they haven't had an increase in 20 years (on top of millions in litigation) but they held their ground and never let the other group get the better of them.

Shear brilliance!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

with condition that SLI will be assumed to be ratified upon arbitrator's decision, of three lists.

What if it doesn't go your way again this time?

 

[DA10]

What a mess this is gonna be.

 

[Lampshade]

You don't even know how many East pilots are active.... Nor do you realize that the active West pilots are less than half the number of East. Talk about crumbs...

The fastest way forward from a business decision is offer a contract that no one can decline, with condition that SLI will be assumed to be ratified upon arbitrator's decision, of three lists.

So this "arbitrator" is going to ignore an legally standing arbitrated list because why? LOL

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No, it's Parker offering AA creditors more money. They have a plan, mote money for creditors, and unions on their side. The BK judge has to take that into consideration. Parker learned a lot since the attempted DL takeover.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

OY6 is correct.

(I just agreed with The Oyster. I am now feeling sick.)

 

[bladeusa]

Have a great weekend!

 

[Turtle21]

So this "arbitrator" is going to ignore an legally standing arbitrated list because why? LOL

If the merger happens, there are three ratified pilot contracts in force that must be negotiated into a joint agreement. Part of the proposal from the company will be an SLI method, which incidentally has nothing to do with outdated, obsolete, and inadequate TAs of the past that refer to such things as two groups and ALPA. Heck, by the time this all flushes out, who is to say that there won't be four groups merging to two, or some other unexpected combo.

 

[Flybywire44]

If the merger happens, there are three ratified pilot contracts in force that must be negotiated into a joint agreement. Part of the proposal from the company will be an SLI method, which incidentally has nothing to do with outdated, obsolete, and inadequate TAs of the past that refer to such things as two groups and ALPA. Heck, by the time this all flushes out, who is to say that there won't be four groups merging to two, or some other unexpected combo.

Nic or not, the possible AMR+East/West combo would give all pilots at the table tremendous career expectation. This is a time for East and West to come together and focus on competing with APA to create value against DAL/UAL/SWA/JBU/EK. Hopefully management navigates the possible merger well and builds a tremendous operation—you folks deserve it.

I wonder how UAL would respond to the loss of a Star Alliance partner and Delta to stronger competition up and down the east coast. Delta's MD80s may be paid for, but AMR has some very fuel efficient aircraft on order. Delta proposes compensating with a refinery while AA will pay interest on financing? What's the better play? So many moving pieces... *sigh*

 

[Sandhawk]

Nic or not, the possible AMR+East/West combo would give all pilots at the table tremendous career expectation. This is a time for East and West to come together and focus on competing with APA to create value against DAL/UAL/SWA/JBU/EK.

Okay - accept the Binding Seniority Award from Nicolau and the West and East can work together...

 

[On Your Six]

The East guys will not evade the NIC award. Before they do the SLI with the APA, the NIC award will be reinstated, probably via Judge Silver. It's just common sense, and it will prevail.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[1st Rate]

I'm wondering this time around if binding arbitration will mean binding arbitration? This should be really fun to watch!! Game on!!

 

[On Your Six]

I'm wondering this time around if binding arbitration will mean binding arbitration? This should be really fun to watch!! Game on!!

No, THIS TIME, they are SERIOUS!!!! And, the East guys want DOH with the APA guys, and honestly think that is possible....



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Turtle21]

Okay - accept the Binding Seniority Award from Nicolau and the West and East can work together...

The NIC and DOH are the extremes and would be too toxic to be part of a new TA. The old TA at USAir was never finished and is over five years old...

The new TA will address the here and now, which is three pilot contract groups, three FA contract groups, and two contract groups with most everyone else. Count on it, none of the negotiators are going to be looking to shove an issue to one extreme or the other. A fast ball right down the middle is the quickest way to all the payouts.

 

[bahumba]

Where is that jerkoff....OY6? Whats his take on this or does he just read Southwest threads?

Classless.... very disappointing

 

[Guppiedriver]

If the merger happens, there are three ratified pilot contracts in force that must be negotiated into a joint agreement. Part of the proposal from the company will be an SLI method, which incidentally has nothing to do with outdated, obsolete, and inadequate TAs of the past that refer to such things as two groups and ALPA. Heck, by the time this all flushes out, who is to say that there won't be four groups merging to two, or some other unexpected combo.

I know this will be easy for you, being a uSAPa supporter....prepare yourself for more disappointment.