Go Jet Airlines, a reasonable option or a way to the blacklist?

[nwa_contrails]

Such anger here... I must be getting to both of you. Little bitter, eh, CX?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

So why are you avoiding my pm, did you apply to GJ? Just curious.

Why are you asking...what's the rumor mill over there telling you? I seem to be popular...

 

[ALIMBO]

B come to GJ Ill have my app in January 13th and I know I wont get hired but maybe. Im telling you its worth it you will love Chicago and we can always split a place its better than living with the parents. Who gives a ******************** if these DBAGS will be pissed they dont pay your bills.

 

[CX880]

Why are you asking...what's the rumor mill over there telling you? I seem to be popular...

That doesn't exactly sound like NO, did you?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

B come to GJ Ill have my app in January 13th and I know I wont get hired but maybe. Im telling you its worth it you will love Chicago and we can always split a place its better than living with the parents. Who gives a ******************** if these DBAGS will be pissed they dont pay your bills.

Well I DO have to sleep at night man. The two days that I was considering going over there were the worst nights sleep I have ever had. I know people dictating where I should and should not go while they themselves have a job is bogus but you have to see thi bigger picture. We are pilots...we have websites like this one...we have an almost brotherhood. I couldnt fathom betraying that "brotherhood" and going over to GJ even though it's a paycheck. My bills are paid by the state of MO via unemployment and right now my food is provided by the parents since I went back to LA.

When I get done having my tonsils removed I'll get back to CFI-ing unless they call me back to staff the IAD base. I just know that I couldnt live with myself if I went to GJ.

You'll understand soon enough T.

 

[CX880]

Well I DO have to sleep at night man. The two days that I was considering going over there were the worst nights sleep I have ever had. I know people dictating where I should and should not go while they themselves have a job is bogus but you have to see thi bigger picture. We are pilots...we have websites like this one...we have an almost brotherhood. I couldnt fathom betraying that "brotherhood" and going over to GJ even though it's a paycheck. My bills are paid by the state of MO via unemployment and right now my food is provided by the parents since I went back to LA.

When I get done having my tonsils removed I'll get back to CFI-ing unless they call me back to staff the IAD base. I just know that I couldnt live with myself if I went to GJ.

You'll understand soon enough T.

If you want to instruct, that's your choice. And in fact I would get comfortable as a CFI if you're actually expecting to be recalled. Know though that your reasoning is ridiculous, on par with being a Cubs fan but losing sleep over the idea that you're beginning to like the White Sox. Good luck, coming on this site and using words like scumbag when in fact you yourself applied to GJ is just wrong.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

If you want to instruct, that's your choice. And in fact I would get comfortable as a CFI if you're actually expecting to be recalled. Know though that your reasoning is ridiculous, on par with being a Cubs fan but losing sleep over the idea that you're beginning to like the White Sox. Good luck, coming on this site and using words like scumbag when in fact you yourself applied to GJ is just wrong.

Yeah ya know when you only see half the story it wouldnt make sense. I drank the same kool-aid you did when I had the doozie of an idea of sending my s$it over there but the "talking to" about the history, the actual documents and basically having my eyes opened to a number of different factors about GJ and TSA make me feel the way I do. I wake up each morning thankful that I did not show up to that interview and that I am not in class.

As I said before...well you can read what I said before. I'm actually a cool guy if you take the time to read and or actually know me. Oh well though...you're you and I'm me...and Corona is good...had a bit this afternoon on the beach...

Happier now than in a CR7 cockpit that's for sure...

 

[TrevorW]

McCain/Palin '08!

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Options, your posts are full of lies and half truths. You spin and mislead trying to justify yourself and your coworkers. You're nothing but an enabler of management in their efforts to undermine another pilot group and their contract.

LoL whatever, you're a TSA pilot - you're not biased at all, are you? Haha!

That's what you think. There's definitely been a lot of half-truths being told, but it's from TSA pilots. If you want half-truths just look at the crap you TSA dudes are spewing. Here is EXACTLY what I've been saying:


FACT: Gojet was formed so that Hulas could get into the 70-seat market, as American Airlines' agreement with Trans States Airlines (TSA) prohibits TSA from flying anything larger than 50 seats FOR ANY AIRLINE, not just American.

FACT: The TSA pilots argue that Gojet is alter-ego and trying to get around their pilots and their contract.

FACT: That argument was not proven in court or to the NMB, and in fact the opposite was proven (see FACT #1 above).

FACT: Gojet is a separate 121 certificate.

FACT: Gojet has not taken any flying from TSA.

FACT: The TSA pilots were offered a deal for one list by management, including hiring with some benefits of seniority, which the pilots found inadequate due to several items, such as fleet lay-offs (and I have already stated, I probably would have voted against it as well).

Opinion: You should have done what every other regional has done who was SUCCESSFUL in getting one list: Take the consessions and deal with the "crap" that came with them after getting 1 list in the next contract. (I would have regretted voting no on it as well, as I would have and now see that was a mistake)

FACT: Rather than take those consessions, TSA's MEC thought they could strong-arm management and force them for 1 list anyway. At the recommendation of the TSA's MEC, the pilots voted down the offer. Then they went to Court AND filed with the NMB. They lost. It was a huge gamble and it didn't pay off, and now they will NEVER have one list.

FACT: Both airlines are separate and no different than ASA & Skywest being owned by the same holding company. Any attempts of a single carrier status being gained will not happen.


TSA pilot opinions: Gojet pilots work for an "alter-ego" company, just because the TSA pilots didn't get their way and were unsuccessful in forcing management to go one list - they gambled and lost, so now they take it out on the Gojet pilots and say Gojet pilots are "management enablers" and "no better than scabs" (which is what someone ignorant to the industry would say, there is a HUGE difference between their little feud and crossing picket lines).

FACT: No one cares about this little feud except the TSA pilots, EX TSA pilots and those who have nothing else to do but respond to every post they can on the FI board with "mesa sucks!" and dig at every pilot group that is not theirs. This "opinion" is EXTREMELY minor and irrelevant to any Gojet pilot or their futures.

FACT: Gojet is having no problem finding high-time pilots, but is still offering preferrential hiring for TSA furloughed pilots. There are 10 in this month's new-hire class.

FACT: Gojet pilots are having no problems finding jobs at major airlines.

FACT: Gojet pilots ARE NOT having a problem jumpseating, and any TSA pilot who refuses to fly a Gojet jumpseater will find themselves in the chief pilots' office and may be fired (HIS words).

FACT: Gojet pilots ARE NOT giving anyone problems jumpseating. If they did, they'd find themselves in THEIR chief pilots' office.

FACT: Gojet is a regional whore just like any other regional whore. Gojet has not stolen their flying from any other airlines (yet).

FACT: TSA is a regional whore just like any other regional whore. TSA has stolen all of their flying from other airlines.


So what half-truth have I stated, exactly, TSA ERJ? Please, be specific. And before you speak, bring your facts... not your opinion. Or, do as I did, and state it as such.


Opinion: You're stupid if you're a furloughed TSA pilot and don't walk onto Gojet. Enjoy flipping your burgers and hold your head up high (don't knock off your paper hat, though, or let that ALPA pin fall off that you wear on your shirt collar so you can impress the other burger flippers that you are (were) an ALPA member, that's a health code violation!) when you slip that time slip into the clock when you show up.

And if you are NOT a furloughed TSA pilot, you have absolutely no right to tell a TSA furloughed pilot he shouldn't go to Gojet. I bet if you were furloughed your resume would be in the stack as well, but of course you have the luxury of denying it on this anonymous board. That's o.k. - we all know this. Gojet's just about the only game hiring right now unless you want to go overseas. WHEN you are furloughed, we'll see your resume at Gojet and you're lying if you say you won't.

People seem to think I'm just out there defending Gojet. Well, I'm not, really, as I've already stated, I could really give a rat's a$$ about any of it. All I'm doing is giving the non-TSA pilots' perspective. The fact that I disagree with these guys who have a definite bias towards this does not mean I agree with the situation.

I have never stated I agreed with any of it. I merely state what the situation is, minus the TSA pilots' animosity and dripping sarcasm, and the HALF-TRUTHS stated by them about Gojet being "alter-ego" (which is a term used to define an airline created to get around a pilot group's SCOPE, which is NOT the case at Gojet) - and the half a dozen or so TSA pilots who get on this board and try to make it look like "life is hell" for a Gojet pilot is so full of crap it's ridiculous. Life is pretty OK at Gojet, I have no complaints other than it is a regional and it's a regional life.

The life at Gojet isn't anymore "hell" than at TSA. Anyone stating anything different is just plain lying.

Everything in this thread has already been said in the other 2 "let's slam Gojet" threads started by TSA furloughed low-timers and someone inquiring about applying at Gojet, respectively. As was stated earlier, no one's opinions are going to change on this on either side of the coin. Now people have "the other side" in this thread and I can now leave it alone until the next TSA idiot starts another one and once again starts spewing misinformation. I'm done on this one, though. Got better things to do than counter the lies from the same guys about the same things already lied about by them in the other threads. In fact, next time I'll just cut and paste when the next thread starts. ;-)

I wish good luck to all.


cheers!

 

[ALIMBO]

Mesa Sucks

 

[TSA ERJ]

Options, just to allow you some perspective on where I'm coming from, I moved on from TSA several years ago. I was there while the Gojet issue was going strong and am very knowledgable about the facts surrounding the situation. You should also be as clear and let people know if you are still employed at Gojet or if you took the offer to return to Flight Options and why or why not.

You can post all of the facts you want, debatable or not, but what all of this boils down to is that TSA management came to the pilots of TSA to discuss 70 seat pay rates. They were told that those rates already exist as a provision of the current contract that requres new equipment to be paid at industry standard rates among non-wholly owned carriers, but the pilot group was willing to negotiate in good faith. Management made an offer that was unacceptable to the pilot group. Instead of considering a counter offer and negotiating in good faith, TSA management relied on the fact that they could hire pilots, like you and CX880, to do it cheaper and with fewer contactual protections than the TSA pilot group. And they were right. This wasn't a gamble but an expectation of fair and honest dealing that you guys helped undermine. You guys jumped at the chance to undermine the attempts of the TSA pilots to improve the qualitiy of life for themselves and their families, just as managemet hoped. That makes you an enabler.

Hulas did start that certificate to get around AA scope but could have done so with a single list like Republic has done. But you helped him do otherwise.

The TSA pilots have never "stolen" any flying from anyone. The movement of flying from one carrier to another is a management decision and is not made by the pilots. You and the other Gojet pilots, on the other hand, made a personal and conscious decision to go to work for a carrier that was conceived to undermine the contract of another carrier.

Since you stated in your previous post, "The fact that I disagree with these guys who have a definite bias towards this does not mean I agree with the situatuion." what is your position? Don't just play devil's advocate but own up to what you feel is really right or wrong.

I realize that integrity is a personal matter and those without it must live with themselves, but advocating that others have the same vacancy in that area that your fellow Gojet pilots have will not make any of you better. By your logic, no one at an airline should act to make anything better for themselves or those that follow and should only act on what is in their own best interest at the time. Truley selfish. Don't do anything to improve the profession, just yourself.

Instead of just reacting to this post in an effort to justify your chosen position, look at what your actions have created for others and decide for yourself if you chose to do what is right or just right for you. Good luck

 

[Turtlesfly]

TSA ERJ wins.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Mesa Sucks

dude, what an ass you are. All you do is call people "******************************bags," and then defend GoJets, and then say that Mesa sucks? What, high and mighty pilot, gives you the right to make fun of Mesa?

By the way, you talk about "bills to pay" and a "family to support." If the only word you know is ******************************bag, my guess is you have no family.

 

[CX880]

Options, just to allow you some perspective on where I'm coming from, I moved on from TSA several years ago. I was there while the Gojet issue was going strong and am very knowledgable about the facts surrounding the situation. You should also be as clear and let people know if you are still employed at Gojet or if you took the offer to return to Flight Options and why or why not.

You can post all of the facts you want, debatable or not, but what all of this boils down to is that TSA management came to the pilots of TSA to discuss 70 seat pay rates. They were told that those rates already exist as a provision of the current contract that requres new equipment to be paid at industry standard rates among non-wholly owned carriers, but the pilot group was willing to negotiate in good faith. Management made an offer that was unacceptable to the pilot group. Instead of considering a counter offer and negotiating in good faith, TSA management relied on the fact that they could hire pilots, like you and CX880, to do it cheaper and with fewer contactual protections than the TSA pilot group. And they were right. This wasn't a gamble but an expectation of fair and honest dealing that you guys helped undermine. You guys jumped at the chance to undermine the attempts of the TSA pilots to improve the qualitiy of life for themselves and their families, just as managemet hoped. That makes you an enabler.

Hulas did start that certificate to get around AA scope but could have done so with a single list like Republic has done. But you helped him do otherwise.

The TSA pilots have never "stolen" any flying from anyone. The movement of flying from one carrier to another is a management decision and is not made by the pilots. You and the other Gojet pilots, on the other hand, made a personal and conscious decision to go to work for a carrier that was conceived to undermine the contract of another carrier.

Since you stated in your previous post, "The fact that I disagree with these guys who have a definite bias towards this does not mean I agree with the situatuion." what is your position? Don't just play devil's advocate but own up to what you feel is really right or wrong.

I realize that integrity is a personal matter and those without it must live with themselves, but advocating that others have the same vacancy in that area that your fellow Gojet pilots have will not make any of you better. By your logic, no one at an airline should act to make anything better for themselves or those that follow and should only act on what is in their own best interest at the time. Truley selfish. Don't do anything to improve the profession, just yourself.

Instead of just reacting to this post in an effort to justify your chosen position, look at what your actions have created for others and decide for yourself if you chose to do what is right or just right for you. Good luck

Blablabla I'm sorry, the same standard TSA ramble. Another TSA guy who thinks he did his pilot group a favor when in fact TSA is in the ********************ter with more furloughs and downzing to come. By the way as a pilot affected by the NO decision, which even alpa was against, I'd like to personally thank you.

The fact is that Hulas said he didn't have the cash necessary to give you guys 40k for FOs and 80k for CAs because of the cost associated with starting GJ. His idea was to integrate the CRJ and promise the TSA group a pay raise and contract negotiations in exchange for cooperating. TSA guys fueled by their mec, I think mostly because they HATED their management already with clouded judgement, told Hulas to go ******************** himself. Well after several attempts, even after GJ was formed, Hulas gave up and started ops. As promised to TSA, GJ pilots were allowed a union contract and higher pay. You can't get much if you hate your management, now TSA is ********************ed and guys can't let it go.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

CX880, not even close. You just keep trying to justify yourself.

Kinda like being a founding member of NAMBLA, the hoojetters keep saying their way of life is legitimate. No matter how you slice it, they are the equivalent of aviation child molesters. They keep defending themselves with more and louder rhetoric.
Guess what they are all chiteaters!
PBR

 

[CX880]

Kinda like being a founding member of NAMBLA, the hoojetters keep saying their way of life is legitimate. No matter how you slice it, they are the equivalent of aviation child molesters. They keep defending themselves with more and louder rhetoric.
Guess what they are all chiteaters!
PBR

I think you need another 8 hours before you post. Lay off the crack.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I think you need another 8 hours before you post. Lay off the crack.

Posting drunk is a way of life, fagjetters on the other hand are the pure scum of the aviation world, nae the just the world. You and Hulas can do a three way with that goat, Hulas can rim the goat and you can rim Hulas, no wait you are already rimming Hulas! Hows that stanky, curry flavored starfish?
PBR

 

[CX880]

Ha, you're just reinforcing the fact that it's not about being reasonable in argument, you've lost and are resorted to hate and name calling on internet forums about goat ********************ing.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Ha, you're just reinforcing the fact that it's not about being reasonable in argument, you've lost and are resorted to hate and name calling on internet forums about goat ********************ing.

HUH? Even drunk I make more sense than you. Now get back to that curry flavored starfish because Hulas can't finish until the goat finishes. There is nothing "reasonable" about working at skumjets. Now get back to that NAMGLA meeting!
PBR

 

[CX880]

HUH? Even drunk I make more sense than you. Now get back to that curry flavored starfish because Hulas can't finish until the goat finishes. There is nothing "reasonable" about working at skumjets. Now get back to that NAMGLA meeting!
PBR

Ok ok, just go back to sleep, have another 8 hours. Hopefully you won't have a nightmare of a giant sandy starfish being rammed up your ass by Hulas.