Go Jet Airlines, a reasonable option or a way to the blacklist?

[Freight Dog]

I don't work for GoJet, but I don't blame anyone, especially furloughed ATA/Aloha/Champion, etc.

1) NMB ruled it is a separate carrier.
2) There are no current proceedings to dispute NMB's findings.
3) No flying of struck work.
4) No ALPA recruitment ban.
5) ALPA recommends furloughees to seek employment at GoJet

Seems to me that bashing current GoJet newhires this is all based on emotion, and not reason.

Get ALPA to institute a recruitment ban against GoJet, or file another lawsuit and you guys will have a good case against people that choose to go to GoJet.

As I said before, you might have a case against the first batch of GoJetters, but after the legal decision was handed down... you're just about all out of luck.

But right now, all these arguments and accusations make you look like whiny, emotional and irrational PMS-ing teenage queens.

 

[CX880]

I agree. Imagine a 25 year old pimple faced FO who's only been a pilot for a few months that has no responsibilities. They are actually calling 20000 hour former AlPA, scumbag, that they can't have the very flying that belongs to mainline, all because a few guys at TSA ********************ed up. It's pretty pathetic.

 

[Flyer1015]

...said the GoJets apologist.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Hey Options,

I think I'm gonna apply at Flight Options, I hear they are hiring and have some openings. Its always OK until it happens at your place of business right?

 

[ALIMBO]

dude, what an ass you are. All you do is call people "******************************bags," and then defend GoJets, and then say that Mesa sucks? What, high and mighty pilot, gives you the right to make fun of Mesa?

By the way, you talk about "bills to pay" and a "family to support." If the only word you know is ******************************bag, my guess is you have no family.

Your right I have no family or bills to pay lets ethug some more. Every time I sign on here I get a kick out of people like you. Its a ********************ing job people thats it. Your defending a regional airline! Seriously? I wouldn't even defend a major airline let alone a regional. What high and mighty pilot are you to sit here and say how amazing your company is? Be proud that you are a pilot and that you worked hard to get there, but don't sit an defend a company who overworks you and then goes and underpays you. It's a dirty world out there and if your going to be proud to say I went unemployed rather then fly for a scumbag airline then good for you. More props to you for standing your ground. I on the other hand really just don't care what your opinion is. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone's got one.

 

[iflyformoney!]

Liar Liar Liar!

mmmmmm

 

[rtmcfi]

I don't work for GoJet, but I don't blame anyone, especially furloughed AT/Aloha/Champion, etc.

1) NUMB ruled it is a separate carrier.
2) There are no current proceedings to dispute Nam's findings.
3) No flying of struck work.
4) No ALP recruitment ban.
5) ALP recommends furloughed to seek employment at Go Jet

Seems to me that bashing current Go Jet new hires this is all based on emotion, and not reason.

Get ALP to institute a recruitment ban against Go Jet, or file another lawsuit and you guys will have a good case against people that choose to go to Go Jet.

As I said before, you might have a case against the first batch of Getters, but after the legal decision was handed down... you're just about all out of luck.

But right now, all these arguments and accusations make you look like whiny, emotional and irrational PMS-Inga teenage queens.

You rely on court cases to justify immoral actions. If the courts ruled differently, your opinions would change. Grow your own moral compass. I think ALPA stopped recommending ho jets to their pilots on the street quite some time ago.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Its a ********************ing job people thats it.

WRONG. This is a CAREER, not just a "******* job, and that's it."

A career is something worth fighting for so it makes your education worth while. But if you see it as just a job, then it is something that people like you don't care about. So yes, I should defend a regional, or any other regional where employees care about making it a better place.

Now we know where the problem lies.

 

[CX880]

A career is something worth fighting for so it makes your education worth while. But if you see it as just a job, then it is something that people like you don't care about. So yes, I should defend a regional, or any other regional where employees care about making it a better place.

Now we know where the problem lies.

Actually the problem is that it's hard for a pilot group to get rid of the bottom feeder mentality most regionals have. Especially at privately held places like TSA, with just one owner. Expressjet was one of the few that had it right as far as management not wanting to be a bottom feeder, but look what happened to them. The majority know that regionals are a means to an end so a lot just don't care.

 

[ALIMBO]

A career to me doesn't end at a regional its a stepping stone to a better job. I don't care for a place that does not care about me plain and simple. Go to work, punch the clock, and go home. Be done with it, its nothing more than a job but your job apparently has become your life. Now I can understand why pilots get so pissy like yourself. Your job owns your life and you let that happen. If you would be more like me and not give a ******************** you would not be so stressed.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

A career to me doesn't end at a regional its a stepping stone to a better job. I don't care for a place that does not care about me plain and simple. Go to work, punch the clock, and go home. Be done with it, its nothing more than a job but your job apparently has become your life. Now I can understand why pilots get so pissy like yourself. Your job owns your life and you let that happen. If you would be more like me and not give a ******************** you would not be so stressed.

How are your 100K student loan payments going? Your parents "trick" out your new basement abode yet? Hows Hulas treating you? You realize that when he finishes with the TSA guys he will have something "special" for you guys, most likely right before you upgrade. You will most likely get what you deserve!
PBR

 

[Freight Dog]

You rely on court cases to justify immoral actions. If the courts ruled differently, your opinions would change. Grow your own moral compass. I think ALPA stopped recommending ho jets to their pilots on the street quite some time ago.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. But as an outside observer, I see this whole argument as bullsh*t.

Do I have a choice to rely on court cases? It's called following the law. If ALPA and TSA pilot group believed it was grossly wrong, why is there no appeal? Why isn't there another lawsuit?

Like I said, if ALPA says people shouldn't go to GoJet and issue a recruitment ban, you'll have a point.

But as it stands now, sorry, this is all emotional ranting without any real substance. By the same logic, people should forego ever applying to American Airlines after what they did to TWA, or to Continental Airlines because "they are full of scabs" or Airtran because it was "founded by scabs" or Delta "because how they treated Pan Am pilots"...

See what I'm getting at?

Leave the emotional drama out of it. The courts have ruled. You have 2 choices... 1) appeal the decisions and force ALPA to do what you believe is right.... or 2) live with the courts decisions..

 

[Ezralite]

Kinda like being a founding member of NAMBLA, the hoojetters keep saying their way of life is legitimate. No matter how you slice it, they are the equivalent of aviation child molesters. They keep defending themselves with more and louder rhetoric.
Guess what they are all chiteaters!
PBR

HoJets dirtbags have to use rationalization as a mental defense mechanism, because if they had to actually face how despicable they are they would have a breakdown.

 

[Melfly]

whatever Go Jet folks are still not allowed on my jump seat....

 

[johndt]

Ditto

 

[Turtlesfly]

Expressjet was one of the few that had it right as far as management not wanting to be a bottom feeder, but look what happened to them.

I give . . . what happened? Our pay is unchanged, our work rules are unchanged, we didn't undercut anybody, we haven't stabbed any group in the back, and no concessions have even been asked for. So nothing's changed. We may be smaller but we have never given back one penny and have definately NOT become a bottom feeder, as you imply.

 

[say again]

A career to me doesn't end at a regional its a stepping stone to a better job. I don't care for a place that does not care about me plain and simple. Go to work, punch the clock, and go home. Be done with it, its nothing more than a job but your job apparently has become your life. Now I can understand why pilots get so pissy like yourself. Your job owns your life and you let that happen. If you would be more like me and not give a ******************** you would not be so stressed.

You're rationalization is one of ignorance, stupidity, and selfishness. It's despicable. If there was only a cure for cancer....

 

[ALIMBO]

How are your 100K student loan payments going? Your parents "trick" out your new basement abode yet? Hows Hulas treating you? You realize that when he finishes with the TSA guys he will have something "special" for you guys, most likely right before you upgrade. You will most likely get what you deserve!
PBR

Wow where in this whole thread did I say I work for GJ? I simply said if given a job offer with no others I would take it. GJ is far from the top of my list of regionals to work for, but it is a lot easier to procure a job there than my top choices. Go hit the bar drunk.

 

[ALIMBO]

You're rationalization is one of ignorance, stupidity, and selfishness. It's despicable. If there was only a cure for cancer....

Your right I'm stupid for not wanting to live at a regional for my whole career. Apparently I'm also ignorant and selfish to care only about myself and not my top notch employer who doesn't give a damn about me or my life. Let me ask you this, has your company ever said hey Jim you know everything is getting more expensive these day's were going to give you a raise how does that sound? No they haven't they don't give a damn about you or your life. So then you think well ALPA or Teamsters will help you, so you go and complain to them and say hey this is BS help us out like your supposed to. But.... What has ALPA done for you besides take more money out in monthly fees? Don't get me wrong union representation is necessary but ALPA just plain sucks. I don't know much about the teamsters so I won't comment on them. But from what I've gathered your fighting for better pay and QOL has gone unanswered. It is what it is people. If you want better pay and hours leave this career and find another there is plenty out there which are more suitable than this. The truth hurts sorry it has to be this way.

 

[ALIMBO]

whatever Go Jet folks are still not allowed on my jump seat....

Wow your not a 3 year old. If the roles were ever reversed I would let you jump seat. No reason to be an ass over stupid BS.