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Go Jet Airlines, a reasonable option or a way to the blacklist?

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Options, just to allow you some perspective on where I'm coming from, I moved on from TSA several years ago. I was there while the Gojet issue was going strong and am very knowledgable about the facts surrounding the situation. You should also be as clear and let people know if you are still employed at Gojet or if you took the offer to return to Flight Options and why or why not.

You can post all of the facts you want, debatable or not, but what all of this boils down to is that TSA management came to the pilots of TSA to discuss 70 seat pay rates. They were told that those rates already exist as a provision of the current contract that requres new equipment to be paid at industry standard rates among non-wholly owned carriers, but the pilot group was willing to negotiate in good faith. Management made an offer that was unacceptable to the pilot group. Instead of considering a counter offer and negotiating in good faith, TSA management relied on the fact that they could hire pilots, like you and CX880, to do it cheaper and with fewer contactual protections than the TSA pilot group. And they were right. This wasn't a gamble but an expectation of fair and honest dealing that you guys helped undermine. You guys jumped at the chance to undermine the attempts of the TSA pilots to improve the qualitiy of life for themselves and their families, just as managemet hoped. That makes you an enabler.

Hulas did start that certificate to get around AA scope but could have done so with a single list like Republic has done. But you helped him do otherwise.

The TSA pilots have never "stolen" any flying from anyone. The movement of flying from one carrier to another is a management decision and is not made by the pilots. You and the other Gojet pilots, on the other hand, made a personal and conscious decision to go to work for a carrier that was conceived to undermine the contract of another carrier.

Since you stated in your previous post, "The fact that I disagree with these guys who have a definite bias towards this does not mean I agree with the situatuion." what is your position? Don't just play devil's advocate but own up to what you feel is really right or wrong.

I realize that integrity is a personal matter and those without it must live with themselves, but advocating that others have the same vacancy in that area that your fellow Gojet pilots have will not make any of you better. By your logic, no one at an airline should act to make anything better for themselves or those that follow and should only act on what is in their own best interest at the time. Truley selfish. Don't do anything to improve the profession, just yourself.

Instead of just reacting to this post in an effort to justify your chosen position, look at what your actions have created for others and decide for yourself if you chose to do what is right or just right for you. Good luck
 
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Mesa Sucks

dude, what an ass you are. All you do is call people "******************************bags," and then defend GoJets, and then say that Mesa sucks? What, high and mighty pilot, gives you the right to make fun of Mesa?

By the way, you talk about "bills to pay" and a "family to support." If the only word you know is ******************************bag, my guess is you have no family.
 
Options, just to allow you some perspective on where I'm coming from, I moved on from TSA several years ago. I was there while the Gojet issue was going strong and am very knowledgable about the facts surrounding the situation. You should also be as clear and let people know if you are still employed at Gojet or if you took the offer to return to Flight Options and why or why not.

You can post all of the facts you want, debatable or not, but what all of this boils down to is that TSA management came to the pilots of TSA to discuss 70 seat pay rates. They were told that those rates already exist as a provision of the current contract that requres new equipment to be paid at industry standard rates among non-wholly owned carriers, but the pilot group was willing to negotiate in good faith. Management made an offer that was unacceptable to the pilot group. Instead of considering a counter offer and negotiating in good faith, TSA management relied on the fact that they could hire pilots, like you and CX880, to do it cheaper and with fewer contactual protections than the TSA pilot group. And they were right. This wasn't a gamble but an expectation of fair and honest dealing that you guys helped undermine. You guys jumped at the chance to undermine the attempts of the TSA pilots to improve the qualitiy of life for themselves and their families, just as managemet hoped. That makes you an enabler.

Hulas did start that certificate to get around AA scope but could have done so with a single list like Republic has done. But you helped him do otherwise.

The TSA pilots have never "stolen" any flying from anyone. The movement of flying from one carrier to another is a management decision and is not made by the pilots. You and the other Gojet pilots, on the other hand, made a personal and conscious decision to go to work for a carrier that was conceived to undermine the contract of another carrier.

Since you stated in your previous post, "The fact that I disagree with these guys who have a definite bias towards this does not mean I agree with the situatuion." what is your position? Don't just play devil's advocate but own up to what you feel is really right or wrong.

I realize that integrity is a personal matter and those without it must live with themselves, but advocating that others have the same vacancy in that area that your fellow Gojet pilots have will not make any of you better. By your logic, no one at an airline should act to make anything better for themselves or those that follow and should only act on what is in their own best interest at the time. Truley selfish. Don't do anything to improve the profession, just yourself.

Instead of just reacting to this post in an effort to justify your chosen position, look at what your actions have created for others and decide for yourself if you chose to do what is right or just right for you. Good luck

Blablabla I'm sorry, the same standard TSA ramble. Another TSA guy who thinks he did his pilot group a favor when in fact TSA is in the ********************ter with more furloughs and downzing to come. By the way as a pilot affected by the NO decision, which even alpa was against, I'd like to personally thank you.

The fact is that Hulas said he didn't have the cash necessary to give you guys 40k for FOs and 80k for CAs because of the cost associated with starting GJ. His idea was to integrate the CRJ and promise the TSA group a pay raise and contract negotiations in exchange for cooperating. TSA guys fueled by their mec, I think mostly because they HATED their management already with clouded judgement, told Hulas to go ******************** himself. Well after several attempts, even after GJ was formed, Hulas gave up and started ops. As promised to TSA, GJ pilots were allowed a union contract and higher pay. You can't get much if you hate your management, now TSA is ********************ed and guys can't let it go.
 
CX880, not even close. You just keep trying to justify yourself.
Kinda like being a founding member of NAMBLA, the hoojetters keep saying their way of life is legitimate. No matter how you slice it, they are the equivalent of aviation child molesters. They keep defending themselves with more and louder rhetoric.
Guess what they are all chiteaters!
PBR
 
Kinda like being a founding member of NAMBLA, the hoojetters keep saying their way of life is legitimate. No matter how you slice it, they are the equivalent of aviation child molesters. They keep defending themselves with more and louder rhetoric.
Guess what they are all chiteaters!
PBR

I think you need another 8 hours before you post. Lay off the crack.
 
I think you need another 8 hours before you post. Lay off the crack.
Posting drunk is a way of life, fagjetters on the other hand are the pure scum of the aviation world, nae the just the world. You and Hulas can do a three way with that goat, Hulas can rim the goat and you can rim Hulas, no wait you are already rimming Hulas! Hows that stanky, curry flavored starfish?
PBR
 
Ha, you're just reinforcing the fact that it's not about being reasonable in argument, you've lost and are resorted to hate and name calling on internet forums about goat ********************ing.
 
Ha, you're just reinforcing the fact that it's not about being reasonable in argument, you've lost and are resorted to hate and name calling on internet forums about goat ********************ing.
HUH? Even drunk I make more sense than you. Now get back to that curry flavored starfish because Hulas can't finish until the goat finishes. There is nothing "reasonable" about working at skumjets. Now get back to that NAMGLA meeting!
PBR
 
HUH? Even drunk I make more sense than you. Now get back to that curry flavored starfish because Hulas can't finish until the goat finishes. There is nothing "reasonable" about working at skumjets. Now get back to that NAMGLA meeting!
PBR

Ok ok, just go back to sleep, have another 8 hours. Hopefully you won't have a nightmare of a giant sandy starfish being rammed up your ass by Hulas.
 

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