Game On

[B19 Flyer]

I think you are confused. You are the FUD poster. Not me.

If you fear facts, and it's clear that you do, I'll take the FUD label because I only post and quote facts.

 

[fischman]

I care about non-union employees because they are much more dedicated to aviation than union employees are. They aren't in it for the money, they are in it for the mission.

Bullsh!t

 

[fischman]

If you fear facts, and it's clear that you do, I'll take the FUD label because I only post and quote facts.

I don't fear facts. I fear some weak minded individual will actually take you seriously and crash because he was too afraid to do a write up.

You sir, are bad for aviation and aviation safety.

 

[gunfyter]

Bullsh!t

You beat me to it.


Its like saying there are hospital workers more dedicated to Medicine than Doctors. Doctors are just in it for the money.

"Pilots are to Aviation as Doctors are to medicine."

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Thats straight from the College Board SAT question I think.

 

[Galaxy]

Damn-I had him on ignore and I still had to read this:

I care about non-union employees because they are much more dedicated to aviation than union employees are. They aren't in it for the money, they are in it for the mission.
-B19

Bob, they are there because it is better to work there than the Burger King take out window in the winter in CGF

 

[gunfyter]

Don't fall for the B19 union busting 101 trick of trying to place a wedge between you and your fellow workers.

 

[ProFracPilot]

They aren't in it for the money, they are in it for the mission.

Ok. I'll take the bait.

By making the above statement one can only conclude you're advocating mission first. I can assure you, union or no, it is in the frac pilots nature to be mission oriented. However the PROFESSIONALS that I have and currently fly with have our priorities straight: SAFETY first, then mission. It is the mission first (safety be damned) attitude that gets people killed.

When our management begins to demonstrate that they truly advocate SAFETY first, then we'll find the number of write-ups will naturally decline. This will happen because they will be compelled to properly repair aircraft in a timely manner. Unfortunately this will not happen at FlOps prior to a CBA.

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent points, gentlemen!! Gunfyter said what we all know to be the hidden agenda behind the fudspinner's posts. GF, that analogy is so true that it needs to be repeated...

"Pilots are to Aviation as Doctors are to medicine."

 

[netjetwife]

Q: Why do fudspinners reek?

A: Because they're full of ...

Bullsh!t

Fischman made the motion; Gunfyter gave us the second and the majority of posters agree. With all the fudspinner's BS on the board maybe I need to switch to my black cowboy boots...

 

[Fozzy]

I work to live, not live to work.

I care about non-union employees because they are much more dedicated to aviation than union employees are. They aren't in it for the money, they are in it for the mission.

You are such a tool!

Thank you for responding to my post. You have truly shown what an a$s you are......again.

I bet you would be supportive of slave labor.

 

[gunfyter]

And what this means is ...

There are important workers in Hospitals whose expertise has nothing to do with medicine. Accountants, Lawyers, Administrators, medical billing, food services, etc..

Aviation companies similarly have workers not directly involved in making airplanes airworthy or moving them through the skies.

But if I am an accountant or IT specialist... I could just as easily be dedicated to my field of specialty in some other industry and care less whether I had anything remotely to do with airplanes... or a Hospital for that matter. To say that these professionals, as dedicated to their trade as they may be, are more dedicated to Aviation or Medicine than Pilots and Doctors ... is nonsensical.

We respect workers in every trade and occupation. But it is sometimes Managements that refuse to treat Professional Pilots correctly in terms of compensation and QOL issues that create the problems and a need for the workers to take a stand.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You are such a tool!

Thank you for responding to my post. You have truly shown what an a$s you are......again.

I bet you would be supportive of slave labor.

Non union employees are much safer and more prevelent throughout aviation than union employees. They understand that flying IS the mission.

In union airlines, flying the mission means the chest pounding rhetoric of a union pilot who thinks that the industry couldn't exist without them.

There are lots of non-union airlines that have safety records that exceed NJ that don't require the additional layers of committees and internal labor groups like a union thinks should exist that drive up cost needlessly.

Non-union employees are much more passionate about flying and operating an aircraft safely than union pilots. They are safer, more focused and have fewer distractions than union pilots.

I've repeatedly seen unsafe pilots make it through the grievance process even with their union reps in agreement with the company on firing them behind the scenes.

One last though, slave labor usually doesn't have six figures with a period at the end.

 

[Fozzy]

Non union employees are much safer and more preve(a)lent throughout aviation than union employees. They understand that flying IS the mission.
Good little solders. Work hard and do their job. Sounds a lot like the management meetings we had with Boisture and "the General". Sorry jacka$s we are not your troops and here to take your commands. Sorry.
In union airlines, flying the mission means the chest pounding rhetoric of a union pilot who thinks that the industry couldn't exist without them.
I have no misconceptions. I need those fine folks to back me up. I am a blue collar worker. But the fact remains, we can teach folks the support job in a few months down to a few days. Pilots, not so easy.

There are lots of non-union airlines that have safety records that exceed NJ that don't require the additional layers of committees and internal labor groups like a union thinks should exist that drive up cost needlessly.
Who? Lets name some examples if you are going to make statements.
Next, you really don't know what we have or need here at NJA, so you should probably just give up on this one. No facts or clue.

Non-union employees are much more passionate about flying and operating an aircraft safely than union pilots. They are safer, more focused and have fewer distractions than union pilots.
Again, lets see some FACTS, stats and references. FACTS PLEASE, or you are just full of $hit.

I've repeatedly seen unsafe pilots make it through the grievance process even with their union reps in agreement with the company on firing them behind the scenes.
And I have seen pilots in non union enviroments allowed to keep their job because they were management kiss a$s's. And I have seen management folks stay in their position after they have made unsafe decisions, and made a whole slew of questionable decisions. Kept around because of the old boy (management) network.

One last though, slave labor usually doesn't have six figures with a period at the end.

But a pilot should.

See above

 

[CA1900]

I bet you would be supportive of slave labor.

"Can't get around the old minimum wage, Mortimer..."

 

[netjetwife]

.... To say that these professionals, as dedicated to their trade as they may be, are more dedicated to Aviation or Medicine than Pilots and Doctors ... is nonsensical.

We respect workers in every trade and occupation. But it is sometimes Managements that refuse to treat Professional Pilots correctly in terms of compensation and QOL issues that create the problems and a need for the workers to take a stand.

Very well said! Pilot wages are a cost of doing business just like the fuel that goes into the planes. Responsible managers recognize that fact and build the budget accordingly.

PENNY WISE, POUND FOOLISH METHODS NEED TO GET THE BOOT