Game On

[FR8DOG777]

Thank You I needed a good laugh!

So if the United pilots found a discrepancy on their preflights that prevented three a320's from careening off the runway that wasn't on the airbus preflight checklist I suppose every passenger could sue them. I also suppose they could be sued for an illegal work slowdown for writing up discrepancies not on an official airbus preflight checklist. We could then further condemn them for making it widespread known to other pilots for communicating this fact through company message boards. I would be more worried about the owners suing you're incompetent fud and harrisax asses and the company for forcing the pilots to fly with these known discrepancies. DESPERATION that is what I smell! Keep up the good work. I look forward to getting my ass sued for protecting the safety of my passengers from the likes of greedy incompetent asses such as yourself.

 

[B19 Flyer]

File a lawsuit against the pilots who want to fly your family in a safe airplane?????

I am sure all the owners will get behind that...

I wonder which of our owners are going to want to put their families on aircraft with fuel leaks, oil leaks, electrical problems...

I don't think any will. They will want the company to fix the problems!!!


PS. I also know how to add color and change font size, can I work for F&H too?

The unsafe airplane is the one with a distracted crew because they are busy interpreting the union method of pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards.

Union turmoil always creates a distraction, and yes, I can envision owners taking 1108 to task if it can be proven that a union action was involved in a pattern of delaying flights.

You underestimate the power of what cold hard cash as disposable income can accomplish when it interferes with a businessman’s schedule on an airplane he owns.

These people are smart and the will cut off the wart causing the problem and go directly after the union.

 

[shanes123]

I still dont understand why anyone wants to engage this Idiot? (B19) If you he called you on the phone and started his B.S. Wouldnt you just hang up? ..JUST HANG UP ON HIM ALREADY!!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

So if the United pilots found a discrepancy on their preflights that prevented three a320's from careening off the runway that wasn't on the airbus preflight checklist I suppose every passenger could sue them. I also suppose they could be sued for an illegal work slowdown for writing up discrepancies not on an official airbus preflight checklist. We could then further condemn them for making it widespread known to other pilots for communicating this fact through company message boards. I would be more worried about the owners suing you're incompetent fud and harrisax asses and the company for forcing the pilots to fly with these known discrepancies. DESPERATION that is what I smell! Keep up the good work. I look forward to getting my ass sued for protecting the safety of my passengers from the likes of greedy incompetent asses such as yourself.

Once upon a time a slowdown such as what you have been proposing was a tool used by unions. The Comair injunction however stopped ALPA in it's tracks. I'm sure ALPA laughed like you are all the way into the courtroom.

A puny union like 1108 doesn't stand a chance should Flight Options file a simular injunction. Matter of fact, there is a chance FLOPS could even get the same judge.

So, once again, I encourage you to preflight the airplanes the "union way" and not to "industry standards."

The more evidence of a slowdown, the easier it is to get the injunction and stop the union from hurting their non-pilot coworkers and aircraft owners.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I still dont understand why anyone wants to engage this Idiot? (B19) If you he called you on the phone and started his B.S. Wouldnt you just hang up? ..JUST HANG UP ON HIM ALREADY!!!

Here are the basic steps of being in a union:

• Drink union koolaide.

• Place hands over ears.

• Put head in sand.

• Make believe that there isn't another point of view.

• Call others names when they don't agree with you.

• Put on your union pin and live with the turmoil.

• Cry when you don't get what you want. :crying:

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Here are the basic steps of being in a union:

• Drink union koolaide.

• Place hands over ears.

• Put head in sand.

• Make believe that there isn't another point of view.

• Call others names when they don't agree with you.

• Put on your union pin and live with the turmoil.

• Cry when you don't get what you want. :crying:

" Oh, well, allow me to retort...."

And here is the 1108/Strong union2 method:
- Drink a beer or preferred cocktail with your friends and peers.

- Place hands over information from all points of view to acertain your future. ( or, place hands around B19 and give him a big brotherly hug... nothin' but love, man )

- Put head into books, emails, transcripts, other information dtermining the course of action to take and to prepare for the fight ahead.

- Make Believe B19 has a real legitimate point of view to play devil's advocate with your counterparts, then laugh and order another beer.

- Call B19 names to simply annoy him, laugh hysterically, place hands around B19 ( remember, bro, nothin but love) and Squeeeeze tightly.

- Put your union pin on after doing all this, knowing you made the right decision to ensure your professional success, and live life with a smile because you have chosen your own path and are confident with the decision.

- :bawling: Cry when you realize B19 isn't going to be here when the contract is signed, he'll have moved onward to greener pastures. What remains afer a time is a solid labor -management relationship that will increase the likelihood of a stronger company in the near future. I'll miss ya, buddy. I really will, all the discussions with my friends about you.... my goodness, what will we talk about?:bawling:

 

[jetwash]

pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards.

We give you more.

We go above and beyond.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

"The unsafe airplane is the one with a distracted crew because they are busy interpreting the union method of pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards. "


There it is...now you have insulted all us fine professionals doing things to the letter of the law. Really, B19, don't think for one minute these fine ladies and gentlemen would put their lives, or the lives of their passengers on the line for being obtuse or angry at others??
Once the duty starts, we are professionals, true and true. our lives depend on it, our passengers depend on it, our profession depends on it. If that bird ain't fit to fly, it aint fit to fly, PERIOD. Furthermore, it will be done on a professional pace, as to continue with safety and proper conduct. It wont be done slowly, nor rapidly. but it will get done properly.




P.S. Just as so yo dont think anyone else is writing on my screen account, my brother B19, I leave you with this....


"RRRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"
Now git back in yer hole!!!!"

 

[netjetwife]

I wonder which of our owners are going to want to put their families on aircraft with fuel leaks, oil leaks, electrical problems...[/size]

I don't think any will. They will want the company to fix the problems!!!


PS. I also know how to add color and change font size, can I work for F&H too?

Good post, JW! Absolutely true, every owner expects a very thorough preflight before they and their family take off. It's a simple concept: you're much more likely to miss something when you get in a hurry. That's why at the #1 frac company in the industry professional pacing is stressed as the way pilots should perform. It's also widely known that low morale brings stress and stress can be distracting. For safety's sake double check things if you have a lot on your mind. Like why MS lies to reporters, why the FLOPS are running off your fellow pilots, why they expect to get the skills/experience of a professional at bargain basement wages. These are clearly stressful days for the Options pilots so take your time and remember that professional pacing is the industry standard.

Jetwash, I realize that Options pilots frequently have to get a part time job to subsidize their pathetic wages, but I must inform you that Fud and Harassment doesn't want straight-shooters. Sorry, but those dealing in reality need not apply. My advice is to hang in there for a contract guaranteeing you and your fellow pilots a professional salary in line with your responsibility for lives and huge contribution to the company's safety record. Best Wishes, NJW

 

[fischman]

It doesn't become illegal until the court order is issued. Then, the evidence will be overwhelming that it was a formal slowdown. The court only needs to see public posts on how to preflight an airplane to prove it's point, that's why it's so dumb and arrogant to post them.

Folks, it is real easy.

"Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." B19 will try to twist words, make us try to contradict ourselves, whatever. He is throwing around FUD. He is not your friend.

 

[theskyking]

You could never face persecution for a legitimate write up. Period. End of discussion. Next topic please.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You could never face persecution for a legitimate write up. Period. End of discussion. Next topic please.

True.

However, it won't take a lot of effort to show the good judge a pattern of writeups that didn't exist before the work action. It's very easy to identify by employee.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Puuuuhhhllleeeeeeez

The more evidence of a slowdown, the easier it is to get the injunction and stop the union from hurting their non-pilot coworkers and aircraft owners.
Yes let's put an end to this travesty immediately. Just the other day I flew some owners that said we were nothing but warts and they didn't care what was wrong with the airplane and we were intentionally impeding their schedule. The sad fact is you fools have accomplished nothing but further tarnishing of our name and service we provide. Ask yourselves this? Just what have you accomplished? Do you think we will settle for anything less than industry standard? Do you think you are doing any of the remaining owners a favor by trying to negotiate a less favorable contract with the pilots that are the lifeblood of this company? Satan is the ceo of this company whispering into little ********************tfingers ear; trust us we know how to handle these situations(FUD AND HARRISAX). Good luck boys, you're gonna need it. +

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Folks, it is real easy.

"Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." B19 will try to twist words, make us try to contradict ourselves, whatever. He is throwing around FUD. He is not your friend.

Nope, Fischman...I'm done with Haitin'! I want him to be my buddy..To quote someone closer to B19's makeup, "I'm gonna Love hime and Hug Him and Squeeze Him and call him George..."
"Now, George, don't be a bad Bunny rabbit, or you will have to be punished!!"


B19, you are an abominable snowman... and you better watch out or you might melt in the bright sunny rays of unionism.



BTW.. All is well for now, results came in today. More to follow on other channels.

 

[Helmsalee]

Anyone who quotes Frank Lorenzo and believes it is an idiot.

 

[netjetwife]

I still dont understand why anyone wants to engage this Idiot? (B19) If you he called you on the phone and started his B.S. Wouldnt you just hang up? ..JUST HANG UP ON HIM ALREADY!!!

Those of us with caller ID wouldn't even bother to answer the phone; we would avoid him just like we do telemarketers. Essentially their the same thing...he's pushing a bad deal (FUD) no one is interested in. Come to think of it, scrolling past his posts and/or using the ignore function--as many of us do --is the same thing. I agree with you, Shane, that his posts don't warrant a direct quote. Those are for friendly chats with online neighbors. A village idiot standing in the square banging monotonously on his drum....FUD..FUD..FUD..while demonizing boots and mock pirate voices used for fun, just sends the rest of the community in the opposite direction rolling their eyes and sympathizing with one another.

Give the frac board telemarketer equivalent the boot.

 

[Fozzy]

Management has worked very hard over the past 30 years to eat away at the job of the PIC. They love nothing more than reducing us to monkeys (and paying us as such).

Ignore B19, if you are doing your job and being professional, you have nothing to fear. At the very least you will have your honor for being a professional. Something that has been lost at many carriers. (and yes that is an insult and a challenge!!!).
B19 knows nothing of honor so this will be over his head. But he does know a lot of getting on his knees. (another insult, what some people do for moneyuke

A quick search of google gives you the below.
http://www.globalair.com/discussions/legal_services/article~/msgID=63

All pilots are aware, or at least should be aware of FAR 91.3(a) which states that "[t]he pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." FAR 91.3(a) establishes authority for a PIC to exercise discretion and take actions in the operation of his or her aircraft, as well as responsibility for any and all actions taken by the PIC. This FAR has been relied upon by many an NTSB accident investigator in establishing the probable cause for an accident and by many plaintiffs' attorneys trying to establish liability for an aircraft accident.

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

 

[Hobbes]

I POST:

Quote by Hobbes:
Bottom line: Write it up where and when you find it. In the US, out of the US, empty leg, live leg, preflight, postflight, day or night. When you find it is when you find it, and that is when you are REQUIRED to report it.

(and YES - the "checklists" can be used by pilots who are doing things by the book. If mx were being performed with integrity, there would be no need to say anything about these "checklists" - your issue with them is in itself a tacit admittance that you know the airplanes are flying around with grounding discrepancies that you wish not to be found.)

The village idiot B19 retorts:

I encourage you to hold those write ups and break those airplanes in the most inconvenient locations possible.



At some point do other posters all not see that VI (village idiot, that would be B19) does not even address what you actually say, but twists words around and adds and subtracts whatever is needed to try to make things fit his agenda?

NO ONE in the IBT1108 is or ever has advocated holding writeups or choosing where to write them up....that is CGF mx who tries to make you hold writeups and choose where to write them. IBT and it's members say, first verify it is a LEGITIMATE squawk (not hard to do, this company takes piss poor care of it's airplanes) and then write it up wherever you are when you find, whether it is a convenient location or not. Anyone with a brain will see that the writeups no longer fall all in one location (mx base) and they are all legitimate squawks....no worries for the pilots, end of story.

Back to real life....hope you are having fun today B19, Bob Tyler, David Marker, whoever you are!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Management has worked very hard over the past 30 years to eat away at the job of the PIC. They love nothing more than reducing us to monkeys (and paying us as such).

Ignore B19, if you are doing your job and being professional, you have nothing to fear. At the very least you will have your honor for being a professional. Something that has been lost at many carriers. (and yes that is an insult and a challenge!!!).
B19 knows nothing of honor so this will be over his head. But he does know a lot of getting on his knees. (another insult, what some people do for moneyuke

A quick search of google gives you the below.
http://www.globalair.com/discussions/legal_services/article~/msgID=63

All pilots are aware, or at least should be aware of FAR 91.3(a) which states that "[t]he pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." FAR 91.3(a) establishes authority for a PIC to exercise discretion and take actions in the operation of his or her aircraft, as well as responsibility for any and all actions taken by the PIC. This FAR has been relied upon by many an NTSB accident investigator in establishing the probable cause for an accident and by many plaintiffs' attorneys trying to establish liability for an aircraft accident.

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

91.3 simplifies research to identify abnormal trends in write-ups. There is only one PIC per aircraft, and if write up trends follow the PIC rather than the aircraft, the basis of the injunction is formed.

Knock your socks off, write those airplanes up, show the trends, supply the evidence.

 

[Fozzy]

Knock your socks off, write those airplanes up, show the trends, supply the evidence.

Go for it! I can not wait to see the press release. "Captain punished for writing up unairworthy aircraft!" That is bad press no frac can afford.

Man could that help the competitors!

Keep the FUD coming F&H, I will do may part knocking it back.