Game On

[FR8DOG777]

Thank you Guys

I just wanted to say thank you to Fozzy, Gunfighter, Fishy, Nj wife, and the many other sensible nj pilots that have supported us through this ordeal. I will openly admit I struggle with the resolve to stay her on a daily basis. Yes, it has gone down from getting pissed off a few days before I start work to wanting to walk off the job on a daily basis. I work to live, not live to work has long since infultrated my daily life. I remember when I could go to work do a good job, have some appreciation shown for my efforts and live a somewhat satisfactory livelihood. If we had 25 percent of the pilots working here that had the same ideology as fozz and gunfighter this would have been over along time ago. I appreciate all the support our fellow brothers from netjets have given us in this time of need. For the nonbelievers that have thrown incertainty in the air due to the untimely departure from the 1108, I offer this solution. Carlos Guillem and David Marker will welcome you openly into their fopa cult at any time. cheers

 

[fischman]

I just wanted to say thank you to Fozzy, Gunfighter, Fishy, Nj wife, and the many other sensible nj pilots that have supported us through this ordeal. I will openly admit I struggle with the resolve to stay her on a daily basis. Yes, it has gone down from getting pissed off a few days before I start work to wanting to walk off the job on a daily basis. I work to live, not live to work has long since infiltrated my daily life. I remember when I could go to work do a good job, have some appreciation shown for my efforts and live a somewhat satisfactory livelihood. If we had 25 percent of the pilots working here that had the same ideology as fozz and gunfighter this would have been over along time ago. I appreciate all the support our fellow brothers from netjets have given us in this time of need. For the nonbelievers that have thrown uncertainty in the air due to the untimely departure from the 1108, I offer this solution. Carlos Guillem and David Marker will welcome you openly into their fopa cult at any time. cheers

Cheers man. And seriously, "Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." Follow that mantra and you will be just fine.

This guy is going to get someone killed someday with his rhetoric. I SINCERELY hope no one takes him seriously.

 

[fischman]

Non union employees are much safer and more prevelent throughout aviation than union employees. They understand that flying IS the mission. WRONG AGAIN!!! Flying in a safe manner that provides an unparalleled experince is the mission. Any boob (you) can fly an airplane.

In union airlines, flying the mission means the chest pounding rhetoric of a union pilot who thinks that the industry couldn't exist without them. sigh...

There are lots of non-union airlines that have safety records that exceed NJ that don't require the additional layers of committees and internal labor groups like a union thinks should exist that drive up cost needlessly. Name one. Tell me about 1 airline that has been around as long as NetJets (1986) that flies to over 1800 destinations in the U.S. alone that can exceed our safety record. THERE ARE NONE.

Non-union employees are much more passionate about flying and operating an aircraft safely than union pilots. They are safer, more focused and have fewer distractions than union pilots. How? How is a non-union pilot more safe than me?

I've repeatedly seen unsafe pilots make it through the grievance process even with their union reps in agreement with the company on firing them behind the scenes. And this has NEVER happened to a non-union pilot right? Grow up.

One last though, slave labor usually doesn't have six figures with a period at the end. $19,000 a year? Is that close enough?

You are going to get someone killed.

 

[netjetwife]

FR8Dog, you're very welcome to my support. I pledged it when I first encouraged your group to make a stand. I followed the card drive; remember at times it seemed slow and discouraging. Well, you won the first phase and you'll win a contract, too. I plan to post special congratulations cards ...

When I began posting here in 2004 my husband had a similar raw deal that the overworked/underpaid Options pilots still have today. As the wife of an FO paid only 28K a year I was fed up and disgusted. It's very easy for me to empathize with frac pilots that are fighting for the fair deal that is their due. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (literally several) from that roller coaster. It was educational.

When the NJ pilots were in negotiations I noticed that the StrongUnion group picked up more supporters with each month at the bargaining table. For the average line pilot, SU didn't start out as the savvy, well organized Union you see today. When you've been downtrodden a long time it takes awhile to learn to walk tall again. It was my privilege and pleasure to watch the NJ pilot group's transformation from apathetic individuals to committed and involved members of a Strong Union.

The Options fight feels like deja vu to me, including the pride I feel standing up for the pilots fighting for their careers, their families' welfare, fellow pilots' mutual well-being, and the advancement of the industry as a whole. Indeed, there is a lot at stake. The FltOps pilots have my full support along with my respect and admiration, too. Each example that I see here (and hear of from the pilots) tells me that the Options pilots are standing tall. Your leaders have drawn a line in the sand, pointing to the industry standard, and the Ops pilots are digging in. Hold your ground and watch. 1108 history tells us that the line will keep multiplying and getting stronger as confidence in your cause grows and pilots re-discover their self-respect.

Sincerely yours,
Netjetwife

 

[B19 Flyer]

You are going to get someone killed.

No, what gets people killed is when flights are delayed because of a "union interpretation" of what is broken instead of "industry standard" of what is broken because of "game on".

Once noted, then the flight runs late, and everybody from mechanics, fuelers, ramp personnel, customers and finally pilots rush to make up the time.

When people are rushed, schedules are changed, rest is affected, details are overlooked and accidents happen.

All because of "game on".

 

[brokeflyer]

No, what gets people killed is when flights are delayed because of a "union interpretation" of what is broken instead of "industry standard" of what is broken because of "game on".

Once noted, then the flight runs late, and everybody from mechanics, fuelers, ramp personnel, customers and finally pilots rush to make up the time.

When people are rushed, schedules are changed, rest is affected, details are overlooked and accidents happen.

All because of "game on".

ah....your the result of cousins marrying.....

stick to what you know....which is exactly squat.

 

[fischman]

No, what gets people killed is when flights are delayed because of a "union interpretation" of what is broken instead of "industry standard" of what is broken because of "game on".

Once noted, then the flight runs late, and everybody from mechanics, fuelers, ramp personnel, customers and finally pilots rush to make up the time.

When people are rushed, schedules are changed, rest is affected, details are overlooked and accidents happen.

All because of "game on".

That makes absolutely no sense at all. I can't even think of a response to someting so OUT THERE.

 

[1folinepilot]

No, what gets people killed is when flights are delayed because of a "union interpretation" of what is broken instead of "industry standard" of what is broken because of "game on".

Once noted, then the flight runs late, and everybody from mechanics, fuelers, ramp personnel, customers and finally pilots rush to make up the time.

When people are rushed, schedules are changed, rest is affected, details are overlooked and accidents happen.

All because of "game on".

Bob, What gets people killed is the "management interpretation" of what is broken and the intimidation practices you and your "team" force on all of the Flight Options employees on a daily basis to rush and cut corners to make up for and overlook your mistakes.

Once a descrepancy is noted and properly fixed right the first time, the flight will safely depart.

Bob, when are you going to pull your head out of your a$$ and realize this?

 

[jonjuan]

.Name one. Tell me about 1 airline that has been around as long as NetJets (1986) that flies to over 1800 destinations in the U.S. alone that can exceed our safety record. THERE ARE NONE.

CS and FLEX-sorry that's 2. Per 100,000 flight hours (apples-to-apples). Breiling safety report-2007.

 

[fischman]

CS and FLEX-sorry that's 2. Per 100,000 flight hours (apples-to-apples). Breiling safety report-2007.

Fair enough. :beer:

 

[skanza]

The TRUTH is that for nearly a decade any sensible half wit could look over the books at Flight Options and see that a LARGE majority of writeups occur in common locations, and many happen to occur at mx base airports, although we all KNOW airplanes don't behave like that in the real world.

I totally agree with you here.

As much as you like to insinuate and even declare that pilots have "agendas" related to where and when the report discrepancies, you are EQUALLY silent about the other half of the equation, aren't you Skanza? You are advocating your agenda just as surely as you are decrying the other. Hypocrite idiot. (this post intentionally written in the color of choice of the village idiot!)

To clarify, I do not advocate either carrying write-ups to a convenient MX base or writing things up prior to passenger legs. That's my position, and you can't change it. Never have I suggested carry dicrepancies, I'm just focused on the other half because that is the slow-down tactic. There, I addressed it.

Bottom line: Write it up where and when you find it. In the US, out of the US, empty leg, live leg, preflight, postflight, day or night. When you find it is when you find it, and that is when you are REQUIRED to report it.

And, I agree with you here, too.

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[skanza]

I never said we write a discrepency when a pax leg or it is an inconvienent place.. I will admit when I get off the phone with you guys and hear the frustration in your voice I do laugh my a$$ off on how you waste time on the phone by pausing and thinking--should I ask him to fly it? Or will he ASAP my name for pushing and end up in the mail room like the other stooge? Fact is mgt stooge-it breaks where it breaks.
The days of pilot favors are long gone and they will never return even if you paid me double a NJA contract. That bed was made by flops mgt a long time ago and now you get to sleep in it FOREVER! Why because thats the LEGAL and MORAL right way to do business. So it looks like you should get up from the OCC chair you are reading this in and go tell Mike to pack up his sh!t because he can't HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Mgt has created a group of pilots filled with rage against the unethical treatment of its front line employees. We are here till the bitter end-so learn to deal with it.
Now I KNOW that answered your question.

No, still not answered. I didn't claim that you said what's highlighted in red above, but this guy did:

Originally Posted by CALRepublic
Best time to check all 49 items:

1-Before a passenger leg

2-When aircraft is out of the country. Do a really good pre-flight in Bermuda or the Bahamas, that'll show them.

That's what I want addressed and am still waiting...

 

[skanza]

Cheers man. And seriously, "Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." Follow that mantra and you will be just fine.
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Come on, that line still? You don't need a union to tell you that. It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. Both can be accomplished without the organizations mentioned.

 

[skanza]

Q: Why do fudspinners reek?

A: Because they're full of ...



Fischman made the motion; Gunfyter gave us the second and the majority of posters agree. With all the fudspinner's BS on the board maybe I need to switch to my black cowboy boots...

Ok, in reference to this and subsquent post: Don't you have anything of your own to say? Instead of massaging these guys? And I didn't think you had a dog in this fight anyways...

 

[fischman]

Cheers man. And seriously, "Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." Follow that mantra and you will be just fine.
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Come on, that line still? You don't need a union to tell you that. It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. Both can be accomplished without the organizations mentioned.

Funny. I just re-read that post and don't see anything about any organization.

I was just trying to help. You might want to try it every now and then instead of flame baiting.

 

[gunfyter]

.... It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. ...

You only need religion to believe that Good and Morality even exist.

 

[Fozzy]

b19,

A professional never rushes. Never lets the schedules of others affect their tempo. I guess you will never understand as you are not a professional pilot, just some paid hack.

Keep them coming.

You know at some point F&H will see what a chity job you are doing and have you replaced by some punk in India. You better get that resume in order. Maybe Hoffa will hire ya! He has a real eye for the future!:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

b19,

A professional never rushes. Never lets the schedules of others affect their tempo. I guess you will never understand as you are not a professional pilot, just some paid hack.

Keep them coming.

You know at some point F&H will see what a chity job you are doing and have you replaced by some punk in India. You better get that resume in order. Maybe Hoffa will hire ya! He has a real eye for the future!:laugh:

Once again, you make the assumption that a pilot is the one that makes the mistake. Plenty of accidents have happened because others have made mistakes because THEY were rushing.

Everybody in aviation are professionals, and part of being professional is running an on time flight. I wouldn't expect a pilot conducting a union slowdown to ever rush.

I can envision everybody else rushing in an attempt to make up for the union-mongering pilot that thinks he's adding to his cause by writing up a deficiency using "union standards" vs. "industry standards." in a specific attempt to disrupt the operation to prove a point.

During those periods that others are rushing are when the mistakes are made.

Pilots are the last link in a chain of events. In a military drone, the pilot isn't needed. But, mechanics, fuel and planning are still required.

 

[B19 Flyer]

CS and FLEX-sorry that's 2. Per 100,000 flight hours (apples-to-apples). Breiling safety report-2007.

Thank you. You beat me to it.

 

[Fozzy]

So you have examples and references?