Does JetBlue have career FO's?

[stillflyn]

"Whaddya think: we have about 200 more (future captains) to hire, than everyone else after that will be a permanent FO."

Maybe for the 320 but there at least 1000 more needed for RJ captains. Plus retirements, there are pilots at B6 who will turn 60 eventually and attrition (I mean recalls).

We have 1600+ pilots on property and have orders out to 433 (233 airbii/200RJs) aircraft (about 130 aircraft today). Staffing goal is 7 pilots per seat.

Are you counting all of our firm orders as well as our options? I'm not sure what the exact number is for the 320 (maybe 180 firm) plus 50 options but I know that we have 101 firm orders on the 190 and 99 options.

I think that we have hired guys right now that will never be an Airbus CA with out attrition and/or taking delivery of our options. The outlook for a new hire today at Jetblue is not very good with our low pay in the 190 and no chance of the left seat on the 320.

 

[NTS ALL 4]

No chance?

The outlook for a new hire today at Jetblue is not very good with our low pay in the 190 and no chance of the left seat on the 320.

There would be a better chance if you quit/retire/recall/expire.

 

[Flyboi]

... Attrition? You betcha if we don't fix some things. Either way, the prospect of a career 190 CA seems kinda ... ugh. BUT maybe the PCG brings those rates way up, mx reliability climbs back up (and stays) and maybe even productivity increases.

This brings up an interesting question: Just how many Blue types will accept recall if those rates don't come up? I've heard that several Captain's have already left, with several more in the wings ready, especially since U's 190 bid had vacancies available for recalled pilots at a much higher pay rate than JB's.

 

[stillflyn]

There would be a better chance if you quit/retire/recall/expire.

Do you want me to blow sunshine up everyones a$$? Maybe I should have said "things are great... come on over, you'll be a CA on the 320 in no time at all."

 

[D-Bo]

all I have to say is WOW.

The number isn't true. Sorry.

 

[skykid]

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At United we have at least 500 permanent FO's.

all I have to say is WOW.

All I have to say is BS. Ask yourself how this guy would even know such a figure. Granted, it may be fun to believe because it makes you feel superior to someone else or a group of others, but this is BS.

 

[MCDU]

It was around 500 before the masive downsizing. That was straight from a guy in the training dept.in 2000. That was due to fast upgrades and United having to hire very low time minorities and having hired 200-300 hour interns. If they have since upgraded , I do not know.

Marty

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

It was around 500 before the masive downsizing. That was straight from a guy in the training dept.in 2000. That was due to fast upgrades and United having to hire very low time minorities and having hired 200-300 hour interns. If they have since upgraded , I do not know.

Marty

I've never heard anything out of the school house that's not 100% true.

 

[ReportCanoa]

What about the two minorities who got lost at Providence.

 

[skykid]

That was straight from a guy in the training dept.in 2000. That was due to fast upgrades and United having to hire very low time minorities and having hired 200-300 hour interns.

Now you are really cracking me up!!! Straight from a guy in the training dept. in 2000!!! Do me a favor and ask someone from your training dept who I should bet on tonight - FSU or Miami. (Already bet FSU at the Las Vegas Hilton sportsbook)

Here's what I know - when I worked there, I used to walk into ops and see dozens of ex-military looking male caucasians and usually a few females or minorities. It was always like that - just like every other airline, just like the different one I work at now. Like I said, its a good myth for people who have the need to feel superior - "That other airline has 200 hour pilots hired because they are minorities - we're better, or that's why I didn't get hired." All a bunch of BS.

 

[Stan]

Now you are really cracking me up!!! Straight from a guy in the training dept. in 2000!!! Do me a favor and ask someone from your training dept who I should bet on tonight - FSU or Miami. (Already bet FSU at the Las Vegas Hilton sportsbook)

Here's what I know - when I worked there, I used to walk into ops and see dozens of ex-military looking male caucasians and usually a few females or minorities. It was always like that - just like every other airline, just like the different one I work at now. Like I said, its a good myth for people who have the need to feel superior - "That other airline has 200 hour pilots hired because they are minorities - we're better, or that's why I didn't get hired." All a bunch of BS.

It's not so they feel superior. It's so they don't feel inferior for getting turned down in the interview.

 

[Marko Ramius]

This week's feature: Paris Hilton in House of Glass

What about the two minorities who got lost at Providence.

Considering the events of last week, that sure is a really relevant comment. Perhaps we could start another Mil/Civ thread while we're at it.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What about the two minorities who got lost at Providence.

Can you provide details of this?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

...and why aren't these "permanent FO's" upgrading. What troubles are they having in particular.

 

[JP4user]

Can you provide details of this?

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2000/incursion/incur_video.htm

Third one down.