Delta the Least Respected Brand in America

[General Lee]

This comment is by far the funniest I have ever read by an "airline"pilot. You just have to be the child of an airline pilot, you have to be. I have never in my life heard an actual airline pilot brag about eating sundaes. That, and use a picture of Charlie Sheen as an avatar. Now go and yell at your Mom for some meatloaf.

Hmmm. After years of flying years at a "commuter" and then domestic 757/767 for years doing mainly turns to the Caribbean, I found the difference refreshing. INTL flying is totally different, (mx wise---not as many deferred items due to ETOPS requirements, different FA service, and even a menu for food, included for pilots!). That is something you will NEVER have, variety in service. You will still do your multiple leg days, flying people who are used to Greyhound. (Even though you aren't the cheapest ticket sometimes). I get to enjoy a sundae overflying Greenland, and you get to fill your mouth with a bag of peanuts over the Newman VOR. It's just the truth. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Again. Pure opinion with no factual basis as usual. That's your problem General, you try to debate on your opinion of something...then try and state it as fact (which it's not). You get that right?

Pure opinion? You don't want unity? Which view are you giving, management or pilot? Arbitration allows that because somebody other than the boss decides what is fair. You guys totally screwed it up, just ask the AT guys who ALL have to go to FO. (Say what????)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Pure opinion? You don't want unity? Which view are you giving, management or pilot? Arbitration allows that because somebody other than the boss decides what is fair. You guys totally screwed it up, just ask the AT guys who ALL have to go to FO. (Say what????)


Bye Bye---General Lee

General here are the facts (not opinion)....

The AirTran deal is done and over. Dec. 14' and every former AAI will be SW. And that's a good thing.

Your outsourcing is not.....it continues into eternity.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Well, I have flown 195,000 frequent flier miles so far this year ... all of in first or business class, most internationally. Delta is by far and away my preferred US carrier (in general I prefer, and my employer generally selects, non-US carriers).

I do not, for any reason, fly on continental trailways (I mean, Southwest). I recently drove Dallas to Houston to avoid a repeat of an earlier this year misadventure on these clowns.

Bob

Granted, DAL seems to be giving the least horrible service in the US, but to say that if given a choice in international travel you will chose DAL....? That is a stretch

 

[doh]

what the world needs now is a swimsuit competition between denny's waitresses and delta flight attendants.

Let's settle this once and for all.

???? ??

 

[Nindiri]

I have to admit, I've been pleasantly surprised by the friendly reception I've found at SWA. Almost all of the SWA guys have been really nice, a few even expressing genuine regret at how the company behaved during the negotiations. In any event, that's all done and over with, and we have to move on. We're all on the same team now.

My biggest concern now is the cowboy mentality that pervades this place. Reckless taxiing, unstable approaches, get it done at all costs attitudes, etc. Management is going to have to deal with this issue, hopefully before someone else gets hurt. Besides, I have a stake in the success of our combined companies now, and I don't want to see us dragged down by any more of the stupid preventable incidents and accidents that seem so common here the last few years.

 

[Tripower455]

Speaking of an agreement, didn't you guys have a "Process Agreement" that was signed by your boss, and it included binding arbitration if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? What happened to that? Answer that Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

 

[General Lee]

Granted, DAL seems to be giving the least horrible service in the US, but to say that if given a choice in international travel you will chose DAL....? That is a stretch

It seems to be the "safe" choice across the Pacific. The service is getting a lot better, new lie flat seats, PTVs, etc. You should know, you fly DL to MSP all the time. Hey, do you ever get mean stares from the ANA guys? Always wondered about that. They must give you the "ice stare" all the time. Hmmmm. Good luck with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

Blah blah blah! You sound like management. Sure, THEY wanted to blend people in at different rates, sounds great! Pilots in your union should have rejected it, it causes division. You know that.... So, you guys agreed to division. Great! That's not the way to do it. So, you and your group are the dumb ones, your majority agreed to ruining loyalty for years from 1/3 of your pilot group, except of course Maxblast. Enjoy that tool while laying over in Amarillo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Awesome! Some MORE "factual" arguments from the General: "Blah, blah, blah," and "You sound like management." Those sure sound like concise, definitive, and defendable arguments to me.

So, now you've changed from "outsourcing to the MAX" to "causing division." Well, I suppose in your mind, it may be the same thing. On the other hand, "causing division" is harder to actually define than "outsourcing," so I can see why you'd pick that mantra.

And what exactly do you mean by "blended at different rates"? Is that a sneaky way of repeating your previously debunked argument? The fact is, as FAT pilots are "blended," it's at the exact same payscale that every other Southwest pilot is on. Nothing different about it.

I realize that you aren't all that concerned with facts and all, but I thought I'd clear up a few things for you. FAT guys represent about 1/5th of the total pilot group, not 1/3. And every FAT guy I've run into so far has been pretty happy to be here at Southwest. Is everyone happy with the way things went down? Of course not, but that's true on both sides, and true with every SLI that' ever occurred in history.

As far as "dumb ones," I'd have to say that title goes to people like YOU, who spend more time and energy falsely "debating" another airline's issue than the players themselves. I suppose I'd have to also add Flopgut to that list as well, seeing as he has thus far volunteered to take a paycut, and to pay an blanket, unlimited assessment to ALPA, just to screw with Southwest.

Oh yeah, and as far as "division" goes, as of the end of 2014, there will be NO division of any sort. No fences, categories, set-asides, preferences for any pilot, of any sort whatsoever. Any pilot can fly from any base or seat that his seniority can hold. Why, that's even better than the DAL/NWA merger, where's there's fences and stuff for years. That sounds a lot like "division" to me.....

Bubba