Delta the Least Respected Brand in America

[HowardBorden]

Regionals seem to be bought and sold, and they aren't put on the same certificate. SWA is putting the AT planes on their own certificate

Actually, when SWA management even hinted that they might consider operating the AirTran aircraft COMPLETELY SEPARATELY, without ever putting them on the Southwest certificate, you were one of the first to call foul along with many others. Why exactly is one different than the other? And by all means, feel free to move away from your normal tactics and enlighten us all with specific reasons as to why it is perfectly acceptable to operate an acquired airline on a separate certificate in one circumstance but completely wrong to do the same thing in another situation.

 

[General Lee]

Actually, when SWA management even hinted that they might consider operating the AirTran aircraft COMPLETELY SEPARATELY, without ever putting them on the Southwest certificate, you were one of the first to call foul along with many others. Why exactly is one different than the other? And by all means, feel free to move away from your normal tactics and enlighten us all with specific reasons as to why it is perfectly acceptable to operate an acquired airline on a separate certificate in one circumstance but completely wrong to do the same thing in another situation.

Well Howie, DL's contract doesn't allow subsidiary airlines with mainline sized planes. Neither should you. It did take a year or so to get the FAA etc to sign off on a single certificate,(with NWA) but a joint contract with equal pay for equal planes was done as quickly as possible. If not, that would create outsourcing at lower pay rates for the same type plane (like you're doing now!)..... Any more questions Howie? If you can't figure out that flying AT 737s at lower wages at the same time you are flying SWA 737s for higher pay is wrong, (and your union signed off on that) then you are clueless.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

Well Howie, DL's contract doesn't allow subsidiary airlines with mainline sized planes. Neither should you. It did take a year or so to get the FAA etc to sign off on a single certificate,(with NWA) but a joint contract with equal pay for equal planes was done as quickly as possible. If not, that would create outsourcing at lower pay rates for the same type plane (like you're doing now!)..... Any more questions Howie? If you can't figure out that flying AT 737s at lower wages at the same time you are flying SWA 737s for higher pay is wrong, (and your union signed off on that) then you are clueless.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Of course our contract doesn't allow it, we have the tightest scope in the industry. Actually our CBA doesn't allow any sized aircraft to be operated by anyone not on the SWAPA seniority list. I just found it humorous to watch so many object so loudly to a practice they were actively engaging in.

 

[maxblast72]

Posting personal emails on a forum isn't cool.

The emails I posted above have been introduced as exhibits in the current DFR lawsuit against ALPA. Why shouldn't guys have accurate information when trying to figure out what happened 2 summers ago?

 

[General Lee]

The emails I posted above have been introduced as exhibits in the current DFR lawsuit against ALPA. Why shouldn't guys have accurate information when trying to figure out what happened 2 summers ago?

Max, you march toward SWA System Chief pilot is well underway....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Max, you march toward SWA System Chief pilot is well underway....


Bye Bye---General Lee

You're well ahead of him in the Chief Village Idiot position. Over 22 thousand post and 64 in less than 3 days.

I'm glad Southwest doesn't obtain 20% of their revenue from outsourcing 50% of their domestic flying. That's pretty embarrassing.

 

[canyonblue]

You're well ahead of him in the Chief Village Idiot position. Over 22 thousand post and 64 in less than 3 days.

I'm glad Southwest doesn't obtain 20% of their revenue from outsourcing 50% of their domestic flying. That's pretty embarrassing.

Delta sucks, that's what I've believed for years. No mainline sized aircraft as regionals, that comment alone is a sad commentary. Delta's scope allows 70 seat aircraft, precisely the size of the Northwest DC9-10 when they flew them. Get ready for the next 20 years, the explosive growth of DCI.

Pathetic.

uke:

 

[General Lee]

Delta sucks, that's what I've believed for years. No mainline sized aircraft as regionals, that comment alone is a sad commentary. Delta's scope allows 70 seat aircraft, precisely the size of the Northwest DC9-10 when they flew them. Get ready for the next 20 years, the explosive growth of DCI.

Pathetic.

uke:

Funny stuff. Thanks for the 88 717s you guys are paying DL to take. ($120 million in refurb?). DCI has been chopped to pieces, with 140 fewer RJs in the next 3 years. Then, a new ratio for domestic flights increased the mainline percentage, and decreased DCI. What you say just isn't accurate, at all. Not surprising either.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

Funny stuff. Thanks for the 88 717s you guys are paying DL to take. ($120 million in refurb?). DCI has been chopped to pieces, with 140 fewer RJs in the next 3 years. Then, a new ratio for domestic flights increased the mainline percentage, and decreased DCI. What you say just isn't accurate, at all. Not surprising either.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Well, you're certainly the expert on saying things that aren't accurate!

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

Well, you're certainly the expert on saying things that aren't accurate!

Bubba

Oh yeah, riiiiight, like the part about many AT guys being upset about their treatment in the SLI, multiple leg days, stagnation, and you starting to lose LCC status? Right.... All lies!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Blah blah blah delta rep
Sellout the crj1000 already- it's ok that it can hold 100 seats- just scope it to 80 and get a pay raise they'll take from you later

 

[SWA Bubba]

Oh yeah, riiiiight, like the part about many AT guys being upset about their treatment in the SLI, multiple leg days, stagnation, and you starting to lose LCC status? Right.... All lies!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude, I listed and detailed six of your lies on one of these threads a few days ago, and the you did your normal crap: ignored that post completely and repeated your same crap, even repeating one of the lies again verbatim, as if it were some new tidbit of information that you needed to share.

Whenever you don't like what someone else says, you just pretend it was never said, and revert to your fallback defense, which essentially boils down to you saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" Then repeat ad nauseam.

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

Oh yeah, riiiiight, like the part about many AT guys being upset about their treatment in the SLI, multiple leg days, stagnation, and you starting to lose LCC status? Right.... All lies!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Similiar to the Northwest guys that got the shaft. They still aren't happy with how many Delta guys got placed in front of them. They try to smile in the terminal, but don't like the Double Breasted D-bag Jacket, or being mandated to carry the hat around. Not nearly as laid back and relaxed as the job they had at Northwest. But I'm sure in the General's world...everyone is extremely happy at DL. Think again idiot.

I'm not sure where you get the info about mulitple leg days, I usually do 2-3 per day. Mostly transcon. Very easy flying. All the controllers speak English and I'm back home in two and a half days. Really nice. Then usually four off.

 

[General Lee]

Similiar to the Northwest guys that got the shaft. They still aren't happy with how many Delta guys got placed in front of them. They try to smile in the terminal, but don't like the Double Breasted D-bag Jacket, or being mandated to carry the hat around. Not nearly as laid back and relaxed as the job they had at Northwest. But I'm sure in the General's world...everyone is extremely happy at DL. Think again idiot.

I'm not sure where you get the info about mulitple leg days, I usually do 2-3 per day. Mostly transcon. Very easy flying. All the controllers speak English and I'm back home in two and a half days. Really nice. Then usually four off.

If NWA guys got the shaft, it was from a panel of 3 arbitrators Red, not their own management and the other union going after them. 3 NEUTRALS Red. They looked at the evidence and heard the testimony, and decided what was fair. How did your process go? I remember a process agreement that was signed by your boss, saying arbitration would happen if no agreement between unions occurred. What happened Red?

And NWA guys don't like the hat or double breasted jacket? They got them for free first of all (not DL guys), and they are paid well to wear the uniform. If they can't do it, then they need to go elsewhere. Many FNWA Capts I fly with say exactly that, "they pay me to wear the uniform, it's not that tough."

So, you ONLY fly 2 leg days, and only transcons? BS FLAG!!! No way. Every trip? Riiight. That AT guy said his SWA IOE was the Texas shuffle, with 6 legs the first day. I would bet MOST of your trips at SWA have more than 6 legs in 3 days. BS RED!

And, most European ATC people speak better English than our ATC in the NE. But, you'll never know. And my 3 day worth 20 plus hours has two total legs, a 24 hour layover, actually feels like a mini vacation, and I get to nap 3 hours during each flight, and get paid for that. You lose Red. After your 5 leg transcon, I bet you feel like a nap.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dude, I listed and detailed six of your lies on one of these threads a few days ago, and the you did your normal crap: ignored that post completely and repeated your same crap, even repeating one of the lies again verbatim, as if it were some new tidbit of information that you needed to share.

Whenever you don't like what someone else says, you just pretend it was never said, and revert to your fallback defense, which essentially boils down to you saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" Then repeat ad nauseam.

Bubba

6 lies? Really? Lies? What were they again? Please rewrite them. I can't wait to refute the LIES I supposedly stated..... Riiight


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

You lose Red. After your 5 leg transcon, I bet you feel like a nap.



Bye Bye---General Lee

I lose? That's funny coming from a tool like you. So when I go out on Wed at 7am and I'm back in my house by Friday at 1, I'll need a nap? That's funny. If I decide to take a nap, it will be in my own home. Not some crap bunk with the stink of the other pilot who just left. Haha.

Keep it coming General. I love it when you don't know when to shut your pie hole. The more you talk, the more you look like an idiot.

At least you admitted that the NW guys aren't crazy about the Riverboat Captain jackets. Thanks for the validation....my friends from the old NW agree with you.

 

[General Lee]

I lose? That's funny coming from a tool like you. So when I go out on Wed at 7am and I'm back in my house by Friday at 1, I'll need a nap? That's funny. If I decide to take a nap, it will be in my own home. Not some crap bunk with the stink of the other pilot who just left. Haha.

Keep it coming General. I love it when you don't know when to shut your pie hole. The more you talk, the more you look like an idiot.

At least you admitted that the NW guys aren't crazy about the Riverboat Captain jackets. Thanks for the validation....my friends from the old NW agree with you.

And you look so darn cool in your "Fonzi" jackets.... Go jump the shark, Red, you fruitloop! After 12 legs in 2 days, you will need a nap. 7am flight means a 6am duty in, and from your farm in Abilene, a 3 hour drive to DAL. Whatever Brokeback!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

GL = troll.

 

[flyboyike]

Whenever you don't like what someone else says, you just pretend it was never said, and revert to your fallback defense, which essentially boils down to you saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" Then repeat ad nauseam.

I'm starting to notice that, too.

 

[redflyer65]

Your right guys....there's really no debating him. If you have a valid point he just ignores it and starts telling jokes about your Mom. How he passed the psych eval is beyond me. I've had enough of his constant BS for awhile.