Delta the Least Respected Brand in America

[waveflyer]

What is left to say to you in person that I haven't said here or on our forum? I think my opinion is pretty well-known.

Would you have preferred that I told you what a freakin' ass hat you are? Would that have made you feel better?

If you have any doubt as to how I feel, you're free to call me and ask. You have my number.

Btw, it was well-known that the MEC looked into barring you from the forum. It is a difficult procedure under ALPA policy. They decided it would be easier to just shut it down. GB offering to clean JC's clock was just a convenient point to do it . . . and you bought it. . . . Once again. Guess you still haven't learned when people are telling you what you want to hear. :laugh:

When keeping it real goes wrong.
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[flyboyike]

Of course you weren't clear Bubba, that way you can TRY to support your argument. Sorry, I was correct. The way your union handled the situation was ridiculous, and you probably owe your boss big time in upcoming negotiations. I bet he'll come to the table and pull out the ace card you had to give him. In the meantime, 1/3 of your pilots are pi$$ed for getting the shaft, while for some other reason the other 2/3 is pi$$ed because their egos are big enough to think the new group should have been stapled. That just doesn't happen anymore, and AT brought plenty to the table, even though they got zero 737 capt slots when the merger officially goes through. What is that all about? Unbelievable, and you know as well as I do that would have NEVER happened in arbitration, and that process agreement called for it, and I believe the boss agreed to it too? Right. Wow.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Out of curiosity, General, what plans (if any) are in place to integrate the pilot group of the airline your company recently purchased in a transaction far more similar to the WN/FL deal than the DL/NW one? To my knowledge, there are no such plans, except for an "accelerated interview selection process" for some of them, and even then they still have to pass the interview. I would like to bring it to your attention that these pilots, too, fly an airplane that is also on the DL payscale (although not as yet in DL's fleet), so here again we see a similarity to the WN/FL deal.

You may disagree with some of the ways in which the FL group is being integrated, but at least they are being integrated. What justification can you give for not integrating the pilots of your company's recent purchase, especially since they belong to the same union, which was not the case with the WN/FL deal?

I'm very curious to hear your answers.

 

[GogglesPisano]

In related news, Fortune lists Delta as the world's most admired airline.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1904

 

[redflyer65]

It goes well with this site..


http://www.deltareallysucks.com/

 

[bri5150]

In related news, Fortune lists Delta as the world's most admired airline.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1904

What am I missing here? The memo clearly says Delta is number one, but if you click on the link in the memo, the only airlines on the list are Southwest and Singapore.

edit: Oh, I found it. If you click on "all companies", "airlines", and "industry rank" instead of "score", then you can see Delta three companies down with a "1" in industry rank.

one more edit: and there were only 7 airlines in the entire world included in the ranking. The only other US airlines were United and Southwest.

 

[GogglesPisano]

What am I missing here? The memo clearly says Delta is number one, but if you click on the link in the memo, the only airlines on the list are Southwest and Singapore.

edit: Oh, I found it. If you click on "all companies", "airlines", and "industry rank" instead of "score", then you can see Delta three companies down with a "1" in industry rank.

one more edit: and there were only 7 airlines in the entire world included in the ranking. The only other US airlines were United and Southwest.

So, what you're saying is, we're ahead of Southwest? :beer:

 

[dicko]

you walked by me 2 weeks ago in the crewroom hallway, you didn't say a word to me.

There's a word for that Max. It's called being ignored. Posting personal emails on a forum isn't cool. It makes people wonder if they can trust communicating with you.

Can we return to the Max of seven years ago; the one sitting in a taco joint in the Highlands, getting hammered hitting on a blonde ? Please.

 

[General Lee]

Out of curiosity, General, what plans (if any) are in place to integrate the pilot group of the airline your company recently purchased in a transaction far more similar to the WN/FL deal than the DL/NW one? To my knowledge, there are no such plans, except for an "accelerated interview selection process" for some of them, and even then they still have to pass the interview. I would like to bring it to your attention that these pilots, too, fly an airplane that is also on the DL payscale (although not as yet in DL's fleet), so here again we see a similarity to the WN/FL deal.

You may disagree with some of the ways in which the FL group is being integrated, but at least they are being integrated. What justification can you give for not integrating the pilots of your company's recent purchase, especially since they belong to the same union, which was not the case with the WN/FL deal?

I'm very curious to hear your answers.

Ike,

First off, ASA and Comair thought along the same line you do. That didn't seem to work out too well. Regionals seem to be bought and sold, and they aren't put on the same certificate. SWA is putting the AT planes on their own certificate, repainting the 737s and using 737-800 options that AT had, for their own pilots use. The merger between SWA and AT have planes the same size, (737) and use each other's facilities. Not the same as buying a smaller regional feed partner using RJs.

The flow up was a good deal for the Compass and some Mesaba pilots. No interview or medical, just a class date. Unbelievable. DL handles their own hiring, and they want some diversity, like military and regional/LCC pilots. They apparently want to have some control on who they hire.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

Ike,

First off, ASA and Comair thought along the same line you do. That didn't seem to work out too well. Regionals seem to be bought and sold, and they aren't put on the same certificate.

Indeed. The question I'm asking you is why not.

SWA is putting the AT planes on their own certificate, repainting the 737s and using 737-800 options that AT had, for their own pilots use. The merger between SWA and AT have planes the same size, (737) and use each other's facilities.

Indeed again. Which is why they are, in fact, integrating the FL pilot group. Apparently, not at the speed and in the manner that would be to your liking, but they are doing it nonetheless. Every single FL pilot will be a WN pilot. This is a fact even you can't deny.

Delta has not done that with their acquisitions and apparently doesn't intend to. I really don't see what the fact that these acquisitions have been of regional airlines (in other words, airlines who operate with a different business model than the acquiring carrier, just like WN and FL) has to do with this argument, which you clearly are making not only from the business standpoint, but from the moral one as well. You're saying (and I agree) that FL pilots should be integrated rapidly and fairly. For some reason, you're not applying that same standard to the pilots of airlines acquired by your company. The "they seem to be bought and sold and not put on the same certificate" statement is neither an explanation, nor a justification. It's a statement of fact, akin to "water seems to be wet".

WN, too, of course, handles its own hiring, wants some diversity, control over who they hire etc etc. Yet, they integrated the FL pilots.

Again, if there is a difference, I'd be glad to listen to you explain it to me. You haven't so far.

 

[Hardcorr]

Hey General, don't post much but you know who I am. Left Delta six years ago. Not sure it was a good desion with the stagnation and age 65 thing but I'll compare W2s any time. Busted my ass this summer at an average of 18000 a month. I know you can't do that at Delta. No lay overs in Midland. Pick a new lame SWA city to bag on. WE go to flint now. Hear the hotel sucks more than being in Midland



the lay over hotel sucks