Delta the Least Respected Brand in America

[maxblast72]

Are you seriously insinuating that some Northwest guys didn't get the shaft in your SLI? That's funny.

Here's another hint....

The NW/DL merger is done and over, and..

So is the SW/AT merger. But for some reason GL likes to still bring up history. Do you see anyone else on here talking about the DL merger? Why? Because it's over and done. Pointless.

Redflyer, the General is just upset that Delta has to use $700-800 million of cash from operations every year to fund the pension plan while Southwest uses that same $700-800 million of cash from operations to pay cash for 20-30 brand new B737-800s.

 

[dicko]

Bubba,

As I said before, it's a shell game. Our Chief Pilot is a SWA pilot. His underboss is on SWA Manager pay. He's on the AirTran seniority list and voted. There's a Single Operating Certificate. AirTran pilots receive Southwest profit sharing. The profits we make are Southwest profits. Every AirTran pilot works for Southwest, under a convenient shell called AirTran. Our work is outsourced by Southwest on a lower pay scale.

Perhaps we're like Comair ? They were owned by Delta yet operated separately. That's outsourcing isn't it Bubba ? You dont like that, right Bubba ? Your allowing it with the same aircraft type at a lower pay.

You're having to split hairs in order to justify your reasoning. It's a temporary B Scale and its outsourcing. Approved by SWAPA in exchange for a seniority bump. You're unable to call it a B Scale and outsourcing because its embarrassing and doesn't fit your self image. Individually, and as a group.

I'll let you get back to harassing Delta pilots because they outsource their flying for lower pay, to companies they own. Which part of that doesn't fit you ?

 

[Scoot 11]

6 pages of....NEVERMIND!

 

[dicko]

In unrelated news:

After years of being either the top airline, or in the top three for on time arrivals and baggage handling - AirTran is now second last as of June 2013. 15 out of 16.

We did beat American Eagle. So we've got that going for us.

 

[waveflyer]

6 pages of....NEVERMIND!

Exactly...

Shouldn't this thread be about delta not being anywhere close to the worst brand-

Media bs

 

[Dan Roman]

Exactly...

Shouldn't this thread be about delta not being anywhere close to the worst brand-

Media bs

Spot on......no offense to other carriers, but I don't think anyone thinks DAL could hardly be considered the worst airline in the U.S.
I assume someone with an ax to grind is behind this.

 

[Scoot 11]

Exactly...

Shouldn't this thread be about delta not being anywhere close to the worst brand-

Media bs

Looks like someone needs a diaper change...

 

[SWA Bubba]

......

You're having to split hairs in order to justify your reasoning. It's a temporary B Scale and its outsourcing. Approved by SWAPA in exchange for a seniority bump. You're unable to call it a B Scale and outsourcing because its embarrassing and doesn't fit your self image. Individually, and as a group.

I'll let you get back to harassing Delta pilots because they outsource their flying for lower pay, to companies they own. Which part of that doesn't fit you ?

Sorry, Dicko, but it's you playing a game of terminology.

NOT giving you a raise to do the same flying you've been doing under your contract, just because of an ownership change, doesn't make the rates you agreed to earn a "B-scale." You negotiated them; you got the best deal your company could afford. They are, in fact, AirTran's 'A' scale. Why do you think you now deserve more money than you agreed to, for doing the same job you've been doing? You've got AirTran pilots on this forum bragging about short, easy days and long layovers, and then complaining about how much work they'll have to do on the Southwest side. AirTran's business model is less efficient than Southwest, and won't support the higher payscale. But you just want more money for doing your old, less-efficient flying? Why? Just because? The fact is, if AirTran employees were paid Southwest rates for the flying that they did, AirTran would lose money. What part of THAT doesn't fit you, Dicko?

Anyway, in case you haven't been watching, I'm not harassing Delta pilots about anything, other than refuting General Lee's anti-SWA rants. As far as taking Delta to task for outsourcing, you must be confusing me with Wave.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba,

.....
You're having to split hairs in order to justify your reasoning. It's a temporary B Scale and its outsourcing. Approved by SWAPA in exchange for a seniority bump. You're unable to call it a B Scale and outsourcing because its embarrassing and doesn't fit your self image. Individually, and as a group.

I'll let you get back to harassing Delta pilots because they outsource their flying for lower pay, to companies they own. Which part of that doesn't fit you ?

And not to beat a dead horse, but you have the "SWAPA-approved/seniority bump" part backwards, actually. It was YOUR union that gave up SWAPA pay rates for a seniority bump (from SL-9 to SL-10). From the first agreement to the second agreement, AirTran pilots improved their overall seniority, and conversely, Southwest pilots' overall seniority was worsened, in "return" for AirTran pilots not getting SWAPA rates.

And lest we forget, SWAPA doesn't pay pilots' salaries; the company does. And it was management who came up with the majority of both deals, including who gets paid what when, after concluding they shouldn't have offered the pay on the first deal. I know, I know... More "semantics" that doesn't fit your victimization complex.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Looks like someone needs a diaper change...

You might want to read it again, Scoot; I think he was sticking up for you.

Bubba