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I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

I'm guessing that you don't realize how your comment(s) helps prove just how poorly YOU understand all that went on in the acquisition. Let me know if you'd like some clarification.

Bubba
 
Awesome! Some MORE "factual" arguments from the General: "Blah, blah, blah," and "You sound like management." Those sure sound like concise, definitive, and defendable arguments to me.

So, now you've changed from "outsourcing to the MAX" to "causing division." Well, I suppose in your mind, it may be the same thing. On the other hand, "causing division" is harder to actually define than "outsourcing," so I can see why you'd pick that mantra.

And what exactly do you mean by "blended at different rates"? Is that a sneaky way of repeating your previously debunked argument? The fact is, as FAT pilots are "blended," it's at the exact same payscale that every other Southwest pilot is on. Nothing different about it.

I realize that you aren't all that concerned with facts and all, but I thought I'd clear up a few things for you. FAT guys represent about 1/5th of the total pilot group, not 1/3. And every FAT guy I've run into so far has been pretty happy to be here at Southwest. Is everyone happy with the way things went down? Of course not, but that's true on both sides, and true with every SLI that' ever occurred in history.

As far as "dumb ones," I'd have to say that title goes to people like YOU, who spend more time and energy falsely "debating" another airline's issue than the players themselves. I suppose I'd have to also add Flopgut to that list as well, seeing as he has thus far volunteered to take a paycut, and to pay an blanket, unlimited assessment to ALPA, just to screw with Southwest. :)

Oh yeah, and as far as "division" goes, as of the end of 2014, there will be NO division of any sort. No fences, categories, set-asides, preferences for any pilot, of any sort whatsoever. Any pilot can fly from any base or seat that his seniority can hold. Why, that's even better than the DAL/NWA merger, where's there's fences and stuff for years. That sounds a lot like "division" to me.....

Bubba

You guys screwed it up. Right away in the DL merger, everyone was brought whole. A joint contract with equal pay was a priority. Everyone watched how the USAir guys went for the SLI first, and that was avoided. So, equal pay, then SLI, the Recipe to a successful integration. You guys saw what happened between both mergers, and had the ability to do it correctly, but you F'd it up.

Your blah blah about 2014 yada yada is irrelevant. You already caused a lack of unity that could last a long time, and you caused many of your peers to think that the AT guys got hosed. But, you don't care, you are the biggest plane in Midland....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee


I'll give you a hint: In the process agreement (which you clearly haven't read), both unions AGREED to send the negotiated agreement to their respective constituencies for a vote. THEN, and only then, the next step was mediation and arbitration, IF either side voted down the agreement. It became clear that the ALPA leadership at AirTran had absolutely NO intention of honoring their word and allowing a vote. They were pushing to go straight to arbitration from the get-go.

That's why, General. Anything ELSE you'd like answered?

Bubba
 
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I'm guessing that you don't realize how your comment(s) helps prove just how poorly YOU understand all that went on in the acquisition. Let me know if you'd like some clarification.

Bubba

Ahahahaaha! Dan Roman sees it too, and he isn't a part of our argument. You guys and the US Easties took advantage of the other side. That didn't happen in the DL/NW merger, neutrals took care of the SLI. You can't see the difference.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I'll give you a hint: In the process agreement (which you clearly haven't read), both unions AGREED to send the negotiated agreement to their respective constituencies for a vote. THEN, and only then, the next step was mediation and arbitration, IF either side voted down the agreement. It became clear that the ALPA leadership at AirTran had absolutely NO intention of honoring their word and allowing a vote. They were pushing to go straight to arbitration from the get-go.

That's why, General. Anything ELSE you'd like answered?

Bubba

Their elected representatives voted NO, and someone didn't like that. That is in the ALPA by laws. That is allowed. Someone then had a hissyfit. Tell me that didn't happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

I responded, against my better judgement, to the troll's comment about the process agreement. How does that "prove" anything?

The SLI was voted on, and approved by all parties, in accordance with the process agreement. How or why it was doesn't change that fact.
 
Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Doesn't matter. Every one of your "questions" has been answered a billion times already.

Isn't this a Delta thread?
 
You guys screwed it up. Right away in the DL merger, everyone was brought whole. A joint contract with equal pay was a priority. Everyone watched how the USAir guys went for the SLI first, and that was avoided. So, equal pay, then SLI, the Recipe to a successful integration. You guys saw what happened between both mergers, and had the ability to do it correctly, but you F'd it up.

Your blah blah about 2014 yada yada is irrelevant. You already caused a lack of unity that could last a long time, and you caused many of your peers to think that the AT guys got hosed. But, you don't care, you are the biggest plane in Midland....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Are you seriously insinuating that some Northwest guys didn't get the shaft in your SLI? That's funny.

Here's another hint....

The NW/DL merger is done and over, and..

So is the SW/AT merger. But for some reason GL likes to still bring up history. Do you see anyone else on here talking about the DL merger? Why? Because it's over and done. Pointless.
 
WHY? Do you guys respond to everything GL posts?
 

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