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[redflyer65]

And, if you bring up outsourcing, address paying AT pilots less for flying the same plane please.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'd be glad to.

It's a merger agreement that expires Dec. 2014.

Your outsourcing is a continuous way of doing business. For 20 years and counting. You know, with no end in sight.

Sorry. Not even close to the same thing General and you know it.

 

[Tanker Clown]

This article should surprise no one. We didn't need to read it to already know this.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Clearly, profits show otherwise. That's all the proof you need. I'm glad you and some others on here agree with some blogs.

And, if you bring up outsourcing, address paying AT pilots less for flying the same plane please.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Already done, you obtuse twit. Just like many times before, but most recently in post 58 on the "1500 hour" thread. You should actually read some of what other people write sometimes, especially when they're answering your specific question.

You ask questions, they're answered, then you pretend you didn't see them, then you ask the same question again. Over and over. This seems to make you think that you're some sort of "sage debater" or something, but it actually just makes other people on this forum think you're an idiot.

Bubba

 

[Data]

You have had zero posts with any relevance. Zip. None.

Bye Bye---General Lee

I hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

[Jeepman]

What about Mesa? Or Waffle House?

 

[General Lee]

I'd be glad to.

It's a merger agreement that expires Dec. 2014.

Your outsourcing is a continuous way of doing business. For 20 years and counting. You know, with no end in sight.

Sorry. Not even close to the same thing General and you know it.

Huh? The FIRST thing you do in a merger is pay equally for equal sized planes, UNLESS something is fishy. Hmmmmm. That was deplorable, and you all know it.

Speaking of an agreement, didn't you guys have a "Process Agreement" that was signed by your boss, and it included binding arbitration if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? What happened to that? Answer that Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Already done, you obtuse twit. Just like many times before, but most recently in post 58 on the "1500 hour" thread. You should actually read some of what other people write sometimes, especially when they're answering your specific question.

You ask questions, they're answered, then you pretend you didn't see them, then you ask the same question again. Over and over. This seems to make you think that you're some sort of "sage debater" or something, but it actually just makes other people on this forum think you're an idiot.

Bubba

And of course you can't make a concise answer, because you know you can't, you acute twit! Paying someone less money to fly the same sized plane is outsourcing, to the MAX. You jackholes just can't see it thanks to your bloviated egos. Guess what? You fly an old orange and purple 733 for 5 legs a day, ending up in Midland.

And the truth helps when debating. I speak it, you and Red dance around it. Tell me, what happened to that "Process Agreement" and the signature by your boss and the binding arbitration part? Tell us. Why did that go away, and do you agree with it?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[labbats]

This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list.

Best use of my time on this board yet was putting that phony on ignore.

 

[livin'thesim]

Anyone know what this number is?

0.00005575689

Hint: dilution.

 

[fareview]

What the world needs now is a swimsuit competition between Denny's waitresses and Delta flight attendants.

Let's settle this once and for all.

Followed by a wheelchair race

 

[canyonblue]

And the sundaes across the Atlantic beat your peanuts and pretzels. (And not only while deadheading, during cruise flight, too)


Bye Bye---General Lee

This comment is by far the funniest I have ever read by an "airline"pilot. You just have to be the child of an airline pilot, you have to be. I have never in my life heard an actual airline pilot brag about eating sundaes. That, and use a picture of Charlie Sheen as an avatar. Now go and yell at your Mom for some meatloaf.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Well, I have flown 195,000 frequent flier miles so far this year ... all of in first or business class, most internationally. Delta is by far and away my preferred US carrier (in general I prefer, and my employer generally selects, non-US carriers).

I do not, for any reason, fly on continental trailways (I mean, Southwest). I recently drove Dallas to Houston to avoid a repeat of an earlier this year misadventure on these clowns.

Bob

 

[SWA Bubba]

And of course you can't make a concise answer, because you know you can't, you acute twit! Paying someone less money to fly the same sized plane is outsourcing, to the MAX. You jackholes just can't see it thanks to your bloviated egos. Guess what? You fly an old orange and purple 733 for 5 legs a day, ending up in Midland.

And the truth helps when debating. I speak it, you and Red dance around it. Tell me, what happened to that "Process Agreement" and the signature by your boss and the binding arbitration part? Tell us. Why did that go away, and do you agree with it?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually, I made a very concise answer (numerous times). Saying "the FIRST thing you do in a merger is pay equally for equal sized planes" (what you said), without any context at all, is the "fishy" part. The fact is, that as pilots ARE merged, they get SWAPA-negotiated pay. Until then, they're a separate company run under completely different rules, and they get the pay that they negotiated; the pay that their business model supports. You were right about one thing--that the truth helps when debating. What I just said IS the truth; what you do is just throw out opinions like they're fact.

The process agreement WAS followed. To the letter. It never "went away." We just never got to the part about arbitration, since there was a voted-in agreement first. You can debate all you want about which side acted in the best faith, but you can add this to the gigantic list of things you're wrong about.

Here's a tip about debating for you, General: when you ask a question, and it's answered, and then you don't like the answer, you don't just pretend it wasn't answered and ask it again. You ask specific follow-up questions. That's how it works.

However, I don't think an actual debate is what you really want. You just want to keep pretending that no one can possibly address your generalized, anti-SWA characterizations, most of which are half-truths, and the rest are complete BS.

Bubba

 

[SplitBar]

Yet Forbes has Delta ranked as the "Worlds Most Admired Air Line" for several years in a row. I'll give more credit to that reputable source as opposed to some random blogger who didn't include any other airlines in the survey.

 

[SWA Bubba]

And of course you can't make a concise answer, because you know you can't, you acute twit! Paying someone less money to fly the same sized plane is outsourcing, to the MAX. You jackholes just can't see it thanks to your bloviated egos. Guess what? You fly an old orange and purple 733 for 5 legs a day, ending up in Midland.



Bye Bye---General Lee

I just want to address this part separately, since you clearly have no idea what "outsourcing is."

Buying another airline, and absorbing their pilots and routes over a 2-1/2 year period, and paying them your wages as they're absorbed, is NOT outsourcing in any way whatsoever, especially not "to the MAX." It's called growth of your airline, albeit in the least-desired way for the employees. It's quick growth, but it is somewhat painful for everyone involved.

On the other hand, contracting out to another airline (or airlines) to do your flying for you, for half the wage, and to do it forever, IS outsourcing by definition. As far as "to the MAX," I suppose it depends on how much of this you do. Outsourcing 40-50% of your ASMs sounds like "max" to me, but I guess it's possible that someone else is doing more.

There you go--I hope that cleared up for you the issue of which airline "outsources." If you want to insult Southwest, you should at least find a way that doesn't make you look dumb just by saying it.

You're welcome.

Bubba

P.S. Speaking of "bloviated egos," I'd bet if there was an FI poll about egos, that one user named after the Dukes of Hazard car would win in a landslide. To the MAX!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Well, I have flown 195,000 frequent flier miles so far this year ... all of in first or business class, most internationally. Delta is by far and away my preferred US carrier (in general I prefer, and my employer generally selects, non-US carriers).

I do not, for any reason, fly on continental trailways (I mean, Southwest). I recently drove Dallas to Houston to avoid a repeat of an earlier this year misadventure on these clowns.

Bob

Good for you, Bobby. Maybe YOU should start a blog.

Bubba

 

[Nindiri]

GL, I think you might want to ease up a bit. I'm afraid you're going to cause a few of the SWA true-believers to have a stroke.

 

[redflyer65]

On the other hand, contracting out to another airline (or airlines) to do your flying for you, for half the wage, and to do it forever, IS outsourcing by definition. As far as "to the MAX," I suppose it depends on how much of this you do. Outsourcing 40-50% of your ASMs sounds like "max" to me, but I guess it's possible that someone else is doing more.



Bubba

Outsourced close to 1,000 airframes and more pilots than Southwest has ever had. Not even close to the purchase of another airline.

 

[General Lee]

I just want to address this part separately, since you clearly have no idea what "outsourcing is."

Buying another airline, and absorbing their pilots and routes over a 2-1/2 year period, and paying them your wages as they're absorbed, is NOT outsourcing in any way whatsoever, especially not "to the MAX." It's called growth of your airline, albeit in the least-desired way for the employees. It's quick growth, but it is somewhat painful for everyone involved.

On the other hand, contracting out to another airline (or airlines) to do your flying for you, for half the wage, and to do it forever, IS outsourcing by definition. As far as "to the MAX," I suppose it depends on how much of this you do. Outsourcing 40-50% of your ASMs sounds like "max" to me, but I guess it's possible that someone else is doing more.

There you go--I hope that cleared up for you the issue of which airline "outsources." If you want to insult Southwest, you should at least find a way that doesn't make you look dumb just by saying it.

You're welcome.

Bubba

P.S. Speaking of "bloviated egos," I'd bet if there was an FI poll about egos, that one user named after the Dukes of Hazard car would win in a landslide. To the MAX!

Blah blah blah! You sound like management. Sure, THEY wanted to blend people in at different rates, sounds great! Pilots in your union should have rejected it, it causes division. You know that.... So, you guys agreed to division. Great! That's not the way to do it. So, you and your group are the dumb ones, your majority agreed to ruining loyalty for years from 1/3 of your pilot group, except of course Maxblast. Enjoy that tool while laying over in Amarillo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Blah blah blah! You sound like management. Sure, THEY wanted to blend people in at different rates, sounds great! Pilots in your union should have rejected it, it causes division. You know that.... So, you guys agreed to division. Great! That's not the way to do it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Again. Pure opinion with no factual basis as usual. That's your problem General, you try to debate on your opinion of something...then try and state it as fact (which it's not). You get that right?