Delta the Least Respected Brand in America

[Nindiri]

I have to admit, I've been pleasantly surprised by the friendly reception I've found at SWA. Almost all of the SWA guys have been really nice, a few even expressing genuine regret at how the company behaved during the negotiations. In any event, that's all done and over with, and we have to move on. We're all on the same team now.

My biggest concern now is the cowboy mentality that pervades this place. Reckless taxiing, unstable approaches, get it done at all costs attitudes, etc. Management is going to have to deal with this issue, hopefully before someone else gets hurt. Besides, I have a stake in the success of our combined companies now, and I don't want to see us dragged down by any more of the stupid preventable incidents and accidents that seem so common here the last few years.

 

[Tripower455]

Speaking of an agreement, didn't you guys have a "Process Agreement" that was signed by your boss, and it included binding arbitration if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? What happened to that? Answer that Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

 

[General Lee]

Granted, DAL seems to be giving the least horrible service in the US, but to say that if given a choice in international travel you will chose DAL....? That is a stretch

It seems to be the "safe" choice across the Pacific. The service is getting a lot better, new lie flat seats, PTVs, etc. You should know, you fly DL to MSP all the time. Hey, do you ever get mean stares from the ANA guys? Always wondered about that. They must give you the "ice stare" all the time. Hmmmm. Good luck with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

Blah blah blah! You sound like management. Sure, THEY wanted to blend people in at different rates, sounds great! Pilots in your union should have rejected it, it causes division. You know that.... So, you guys agreed to division. Great! That's not the way to do it. So, you and your group are the dumb ones, your majority agreed to ruining loyalty for years from 1/3 of your pilot group, except of course Maxblast. Enjoy that tool while laying over in Amarillo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Awesome! Some MORE "factual" arguments from the General: "Blah, blah, blah," and "You sound like management." Those sure sound like concise, definitive, and defendable arguments to me.

So, now you've changed from "outsourcing to the MAX" to "causing division." Well, I suppose in your mind, it may be the same thing. On the other hand, "causing division" is harder to actually define than "outsourcing," so I can see why you'd pick that mantra.

And what exactly do you mean by "blended at different rates"? Is that a sneaky way of repeating your previously debunked argument? The fact is, as FAT pilots are "blended," it's at the exact same payscale that every other Southwest pilot is on. Nothing different about it.

I realize that you aren't all that concerned with facts and all, but I thought I'd clear up a few things for you. FAT guys represent about 1/5th of the total pilot group, not 1/3. And every FAT guy I've run into so far has been pretty happy to be here at Southwest. Is everyone happy with the way things went down? Of course not, but that's true on both sides, and true with every SLI that' ever occurred in history.

As far as "dumb ones," I'd have to say that title goes to people like YOU, who spend more time and energy falsely "debating" another airline's issue than the players themselves. I suppose I'd have to also add Flopgut to that list as well, seeing as he has thus far volunteered to take a paycut, and to pay an blanket, unlimited assessment to ALPA, just to screw with Southwest.

Oh yeah, and as far as "division" goes, as of the end of 2014, there will be NO division of any sort. No fences, categories, set-asides, preferences for any pilot, of any sort whatsoever. Any pilot can fly from any base or seat that his seniority can hold. Why, that's even better than the DAL/NWA merger, where's there's fences and stuff for years. That sounds a lot like "division" to me.....

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

I'll answer it.....

THE SLI WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, by a large margin.

Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

I'm guessing that you don't realize how your comment(s) helps prove just how poorly YOU understand all that went on in the acquisition. Let me know if you'd like some clarification.

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

Awesome! Some MORE "factual" arguments from the General: "Blah, blah, blah," and "You sound like management." Those sure sound like concise, definitive, and defendable arguments to me.

So, now you've changed from "outsourcing to the MAX" to "causing division." Well, I suppose in your mind, it may be the same thing. On the other hand, "causing division" is harder to actually define than "outsourcing," so I can see why you'd pick that mantra.

And what exactly do you mean by "blended at different rates"? Is that a sneaky way of repeating your previously debunked argument? The fact is, as FAT pilots are "blended," it's at the exact same payscale that every other Southwest pilot is on. Nothing different about it.

I realize that you aren't all that concerned with facts and all, but I thought I'd clear up a few things for you. FAT guys represent about 1/5th of the total pilot group, not 1/3. And every FAT guy I've run into so far has been pretty happy to be here at Southwest. Is everyone happy with the way things went down? Of course not, but that's true on both sides, and true with every SLI that' ever occurred in history.

As far as "dumb ones," I'd have to say that title goes to people like YOU, who spend more time and energy falsely "debating" another airline's issue than the players themselves. I suppose I'd have to also add Flopgut to that list as well, seeing as he has thus far volunteered to take a paycut, and to pay an blanket, unlimited assessment to ALPA, just to screw with Southwest.

Oh yeah, and as far as "division" goes, as of the end of 2014, there will be NO division of any sort. No fences, categories, set-asides, preferences for any pilot, of any sort whatsoever. Any pilot can fly from any base or seat that his seniority can hold. Why, that's even better than the DAL/NWA merger, where's there's fences and stuff for years. That sounds a lot like "division" to me.....

Bubba

You guys screwed it up. Right away in the DL merger, everyone was brought whole. A joint contract with equal pay was a priority. Everyone watched how the USAir guys went for the SLI first, and that was avoided. So, equal pay, then SLI, the Recipe to a successful integration. You guys saw what happened between both mergers, and had the ability to do it correctly, but you F'd it up.

Your blah blah about 2014 yada yada is irrelevant. You already caused a lack of unity that could last a long time, and you caused many of your peers to think that the AT guys got hosed. But, you don't care, you are the biggest plane in Midland....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'll give you a hint: In the process agreement (which you clearly haven't read), both unions AGREED to send the negotiated agreement to their respective constituencies for a vote. THEN, and only then, the next step was mediation and arbitration, IF either side voted down the agreement. It became clear that the ALPA leadership at AirTran had absolutely NO intention of honoring their word and allowing a vote. They were pushing to go straight to arbitration from the get-go.

That's why, General. Anything ELSE you'd like answered?

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

I'm guessing that you don't realize how your comment(s) helps prove just how poorly YOU understand all that went on in the acquisition. Let me know if you'd like some clarification.

Bubba

Ahahahaaha! Dan Roman sees it too, and he isn't a part of our argument. You guys and the US Easties took advantage of the other side. That didn't happen in the DL/NW merger, neutrals took care of the SLI. You can't see the difference.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'll give you a hint: In the process agreement (which you clearly haven't read), both unions AGREED to send the negotiated agreement to their respective constituencies for a vote. THEN, and only then, the next step was mediation and arbitration, IF either side voted down the agreement. It became clear that the ALPA leadership at AirTran had absolutely NO intention of honoring their word and allowing a vote. They were pushing to go straight to arbitration from the get-go.

That's why, General. Anything ELSE you'd like answered?

Bubba

Their elected representatives voted NO, and someone didn't like that. That is in the ALPA by laws. That is allowed. Someone then had a hissyfit. Tell me that didn't happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tripower455]

I'm guessing you don't realize how your comment helps proves just how poorly SWA handled the merger.

I responded, against my better judgement, to the troll's comment about the process agreement. How does that "prove" anything?

The SLI was voted on, and approved by all parties, in accordance with the process agreement. How or why it was doesn't change that fact.

 

[Tripower455]

Hilarious! What happened just prior to the vote? You guys are now the laughing stock along with the US Easties. Tell me, why would the AT guys "give in" and allow a vote when the process agreement, signed by your boss, stated binding arbitration was the next step if a SLI wasn't agreed upon? Answer that genius. You just won't....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Doesn't matter. Every one of your "questions" has been answered a billion times already.

Isn't this a Delta thread?

 

[redflyer65]

You guys screwed it up. Right away in the DL merger, everyone was brought whole. A joint contract with equal pay was a priority. Everyone watched how the USAir guys went for the SLI first, and that was avoided. So, equal pay, then SLI, the Recipe to a successful integration. You guys saw what happened between both mergers, and had the ability to do it correctly, but you F'd it up.

Your blah blah about 2014 yada yada is irrelevant. You already caused a lack of unity that could last a long time, and you caused many of your peers to think that the AT guys got hosed. But, you don't care, you are the biggest plane in Midland....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Are you seriously insinuating that some Northwest guys didn't get the shaft in your SLI? That's funny.

Here's another hint....

The NW/DL merger is done and over, and..

So is the SW/AT merger. But for some reason GL likes to still bring up history. Do you see anyone else on here talking about the DL merger? Why? Because it's over and done. Pointless.

 

[waveflyer]

WHY? Do you guys respond to everything GL posts?