Delta acquisition of NWA almost finalized!

[Occam's Razor]

My personal sense is that the nature of this corporate transaction, DAL's acquisition of NWA, will have little bearing on the SLI.

Puffy thinks that kinda talk makes you "dense".

Welcome to the club!

:beer:

 

[FDJ2]

Also from Wikipedia:

In business or economics a merger is a combination of two companies into one larger company. Such actions are commonly voluntary and involve stock swap or cash payment to the target. Stock swap is often used as it allows the shareholders of the two companies to share the risk involved in the deal.

It's still an acquisition, not that it really matters.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

This is a very important issue. Acquisition verse merger sets the tone. The tone of proceedings following the tone of purchase make all the difference in the world as the arbitrator makes decisions based on those tones of leadership. Rarely does an arbitrator make decisions in a vacuum based on just facts.

Acquisition is the tone of the DAL/NWA deal. It will have consequences.

 

[FDJ2]

Puffy thinks that kinda talk makes you "dense".

Welcome to the club!

:beer:

I think we've both been called worse.

 

[Superpilot92]

It's still an acquisition, not that it really matters.

Its still just a pointless argument but since we're talking about "important" stuff,

Fossilized bird droppings are one of the chief exports of Nauru, an island nation in the Western Pacific.

 

[FDJ2]

Its still just a pointless argument but since we're talking about "important" stuff,

Fossilized bird droppings are one of the chief exports of Nauru, an island nation in the Western Pacific.

"Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"

 

[NuGuy]

It's still an acquisition, not that it really matters.

Heyas,

Fod what it's worth, I just got finished with a two year stint teaching at a local college. Using Wikipedia as a reference for anything was an automatic 'F' on a paper.

Nu

 

[Superpilot92]

"Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"

Now we are on track. LOL

 

[GogglesPisano]

This is a very important issue. Acquisition verse merger sets the tone. The tone of proceedings following the tone of purchase make all the difference in the world as the arbitrator makes decisions based on those tones of leadership. Rarely does an arbitrator make decisions in a vacuum based on just facts.

Acquisition is the tone of the DAL/NWA deal. It will have consequences.

Really? Prove it. Please cite precedence.

 

[PuffDriver]

Puffy thinks that kinda talk makes you "dense"

Got it just enough wrong to make a difference. Denying the facts over and over again, hoping for a different result, makes you dense. Saying that it will make little difference is a lot different than saying that it is not so. But you already knew that.

To those with sub-prime IQ's...yes.

Then you must be suicidal then. Good introspection though. Glad it's finally setting in.

Never.

Which is important for you to recognize. Next year, when you're yanking gear for me (not a slam...it's a mathematical application of your Merger Committee's proposal on the SLI), you can lament the injustices of not having an Acquisition Committee to put me in my place.

Finally, we're getting somewhere. First, an acquisition is an acquisition. They are still called merger committees-even in an acquisition. But you already knew that, didn't you??

Nice to see you had to resort to the "yanking gear" card, which I put right up with the spelling police card. At Delta, the non-flying pilots "yanks" the gear. We traditionally alternate legs, which means every other leg that you are "yanking" gear. Since you obviously meant it as a slam, though, you should probably know that I am a captain, and plan to remain so. There is the chance that I may bid right seat to meet some upcoming needs of the family, but as we both know our merger policy inhibits the forcing of me back to the right seat. Keep swinging and missing.

1. Who's arguing that point?
2. How does that impact the SLI process?
3. Well done! Here's another one: What was Tonto's horse's name? (Answer: "Scout")
4. Question #3 carries the same importance in the SLI process as your statement.

1) You were
2) It does. To what magnitude is anyone's guess
3) Man, you are old.
4) Quite possible, perhaps not

Here was the point, though, without all of the backpedaling:

Got it right here in front of me. Can you direct me to the section that mentions the methodology of the corporate transaction as having any bearing on the process?

There is none. You said that there was specific language prohibiting it. See the difference? Of course you do. You already had

Game, set, match

 

[FDJ2]

Heyas,

Fod what it's worth, I just got finished with a two year stint teaching at a local college. Using Wikipedia as a reference for anything was an automatic 'F' on a paper.

Nu

"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."

 

[PuffDriver]

Puffy,

It Was A Joke.

Have a beer......maybe get laid.....you are WAY too uptight. Typical though....

Describing your last "rotation"? (see, I'm learning new words!)

There is no game, there was no set, you did not win a match.

Yawn, yep, right on time. The "go get laid" approach. Mr. Substantive in his prime.

Yawn, anyone else? It appears as if we have finally admitted that it IS an acquisition, and that such an argument MAY be made at the arbitration, and that it may or may not make a difference. My work is done here. NWA guys carry on with your fodder. Perhaps another crack about my ego, double breasted coats, hats, speling, sexual shortcomings, etc, etc, etc.

You guys are too easy. Hope you can drink at least.

 

[GogglesPisano]

"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."

<<<<<<<-------- I resemble that remark!

 

[DTW320]

Hope you can drink at least.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious you've been doing a lot of that before posting here. Who said anything about your sexual shortcomings??? Freudian slip? Unwind however you like, but seriously......Unwind.

 

[Noserider76]

Who said anything about your sexual shortcomings??? Freudian slip? Unwind however you like, but seriously......Unwind.

Might have been the tube sock comment from a couple pages back in this insane thread. I tried it but the damned thing slipped to the back. Doesn't have quite the same effect there............

 

[Schwanker]

Might have been the tube sock comment from a couple pages back in this insane thread. I tried it but the damned thing slipped to the back. Doesn't have quite the same effect there............

Yeah, but who said anything about his two breasts??

 

[IXLR8]

Hey now!!!!

Remember, Richard Anderson told us many times that we (NWA) are the best in the business. I heard it several times. Now that he is at Delta, I guess with the "merger" he is just trying to bring Delta up to our standards?

 

[Going2Baja]

LOL....NICE!!

Baja.

 

[FDJ2]

<<<<<<<-------- I resemble that remark!

"If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood."

:beer:

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Fins and Puff Daddy,

Help me understand your and puffys idea of relative seniority. IF those 2007 hires really get onto the 777 or 88A do you really believe that should blend in with 96 or 97 dohs from our side? If that is what dalpas idea of relative seniority is you are suggesting a essentially a staple of the last 1500-2000 nwa pilots with the bulk being hired prior to 2000. I don't believe the arbitration panel would agree either. I understand relative to be relative. 59% today 59% manana. Anything other than that would be a win fall for y'all. If there is a gross disparity of dohs, I predict a very angry unmotivated portion of the seniority list. Not good for any of us, nor the success of the company.

I've not heard the term "acquisition" used anywhere but here. I hear the word "merger" used very frequently. The outcome of pilots debating semantic terms is nothing more than a diversion for bored pilots. I do believe that in the long run, both Delta and NWA pilots will see gains from this transaction.

The NWA pilots will have to adjust to the Delta way of doing things. Delta's flight standards, uniforms, policies and procedures remain after the transaction. There is not any point in fighting it. Others may have been harsh, but it will be a lot easier for NWA pilots to accept what they can not change.

What is more relevant is the objective changes in fleet numbers, the SLOA allowing Delta MD88 pilots to fly over their ALV caps, canceled displacements and growth aircraft. I am more interested in how arbitrators meet their obligation to meet, or improve on, status quo.

Frankly, at the junior end of the list, that is going to be difficult work. Delta's 2007 hires are holding (block in NWA speak) lines on the 757 and 767 both domestic and international. On the MD88's they are pretty senior in the right seat. Another big advanced entitlement for growth comes out on the DAL side in October. It looks possible that a few out of the class of 07 may even get on the 777, or MD88A in NYC. Those results should be available before the arbitration is final. (not that I'm leaving any facts out about NWA, I just don't know if you are doing advancement bids)

If past results are useful for prediction of future outcomes then I expect relative seniority, by equipment. That still does not address the base issues, but if given the choice between NYC, MSP, or DTW, they are about a toss up. I think we will all miss NWA's commuting language.

JMHO