Delta acquisition of NWA almost finalized!

[ACL65PILOT]

It is an excel sheet that I created. It has the seniority lists from both companies with DOH and DOB are two separate fields. Put in what you want the data to show and it gives the answer.
I retire in 2038-2039 and that is the date that I am looking at.

 

[Superpilot92]

Who's 787's?

I had to correct the lady on the Boeing tour too. That red tail throws a lot of folks off. Fortunately in the building next door they have three 777's on the line for Delta, so they can see how the paint is supposed to look.

Hope you know I'm just yanking your chain.

See you for Thanksgiving. Hopefully we will both be thankful for something.

Yikes your in your 40's? Your like my dads age!! LMAO no not really. My turn to yank your chain :laugh: All in good fun fins.

To be honest i am ready for this to be over so we can move forward as a single pilots group and start biching about important things like, coke or pepsi products.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Better be Coke. But we need Dr. Pepper back. It was a sad day when they took that off the jets.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Pepsi isn't even a consideration. I could fly Corporate out of Atlanta and get Coke products.

Besides, Delta changed their subsidiary's call sign to Candler in honor of the Atlanta family associated with Coke. That'd be like Cats and Dogs sleeping together, like Fox news in the CNN building ....

Pepsi

uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:​

 

[Superpilot92]

Better be Coke. But we need Dr. Pepper back. It was a sad day when they took that off the jets.

I agree, Dr.Pepper FTW!!! :beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, the Dublin Dr. Pepper is the best.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yes, the Dublin Dr. Pepper is the best.

Sshhhh, that needs to be a secret of Texas. There is a Dr.Pepper museum in Waco. :beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sad, but I know I have been there.
If you go to Dublin you can get some Dr. Pepper made that day or the day before. It is awesome.
Almost went by this weekend when I was land shopping.

 

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What? I never said that a narrow body pilot who can hold widebody and is senior to me, should be junior to me. What I said was a narrow body F/O at NWA or DAL who CAN NOT HOLD A WIDEBODY at NWA or DAL should be junior to any widebody pilot. ...Just because DAL has a lot more widebdoies does not mean that NWA pilots should enjoy bigger equipment on top of the much bigger raise you all got.[/

Did you learn this theory from your Red Book father?

It may be hard for you to understand. Let me try it this way.
You should be able to hold the same equipment the day after the SLI just like you did the day before.

Agreed, that is why there will not be a bump and flush. You will still hold the equipment after the merger.

 

[General Lee]

Did you learn this theory from your Red Book father?



Agreed, that is why there will not be a bump and flush. You will still hold the equipment after the merger.

That really is not fair because at NWA you have pent up seniority thanks to your redbook, greenbook situation. There are MANY DC9 Captains that are senior but could NEVER hold larger because the redbook guys were NEVER displaced. That was YOUR problem, created by YOU GUYS, and now you want to "set everything right" be releasing them on our widebodies, after you created the problem. Well, that is why using current salary is more fair---when looking at the SLI. It keeps people where they were before the merger, and keeps associated problems where they WERE originally. A DC9 Captain moving to the left seat of a 777 is a windfall, and you have plenty of those thanks to your mess up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

General,

You have been around long enough to know pay comes and goes. Would you guys be saying the same as far as pay with a Luv merger? Doubt it, as their capt. rate over there currently pays more than anything at dal, including the jpwa rates.

That really is not fair because at NWA you have pent up seniority thanks to your redbook, greenbook situation. There are MANY DC9 Captains that are senior but could NEVER hold larger because the redbook guys were NEVER displaced. That was YOUR problem, created by YOU GUYS, and now you want to "set everything right" be releasing them on our widebodies, after you created the problem. Well, that is why using current salary is more fair---when looking at the SLI. It keeps people where they were before the merger, and keeps associated problems where they WERE originally. A DC9 Captain moving to the left seat of a 777 is a windfall, and you have plenty of those thanks to your mess up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

You have been around long enough to know pay comes and goes. Would you guys be saying the same as far as pay with a Luv merger? Doubt it, as their capt. rate over there currently pays more than anything at dal, including the jpwa rates.

I understand what you are saying. But, there is a problem, that you can probably see too, that there were a lot of greenbooks that were treated unfairly by the redbooks. They couldn't move to their "rightful" seat after the fences came down because there were no displacements for the redbooks, keeping a lot of those now senior greenbooks on narrowbodies. That could change quickly with lots of future acquisitions of our 777s (and your 787s I guess, although I don't know the status of that plane or replacements), and that would be a windfall, placed on us primarily. This SLI is a one time thing, looking at what is fair today. What are the current pilots at both airlines flying and making in salary NOW. Same at USAir and AWA---they were given relative seniority and relative position (the INTL guys at USAir were given the top 500 spots because they had positions and flying AWA didn't have). The Southwest guys would fit in differently because they don't have the INTL flying, although they would be put in the middle because of their salary. Both salary and flying would be taken into account---and that should be looked at here too. No windfalls should occur---again, in salary and position. Those senior greenbooks would get both, and although they were treated unfairly all along, it is not our job now to set it straight. SLI is a one time thing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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That really is not fair because at NWA you have pent up seniority thanks to your redbook, greenbook situation.

So you are a proponent of having the same situation at the new DAL?

There are MANY DC9 Captains that are senior but could NEVER hold larger because the redbook guys were NEVER displaced.

Not true, there may be a few, but there are not that many left on the -9. Most have moved on to other aircraft.

That was YOUR problem, created by YOU GUYS, and now you want to "set everything right" be releasing them on our widebodies, after you created the problem. Well, that is why using current salary is more fair---when looking at the SLI. It keeps people where they were before the merger, and keeps associated problems where they WERE originally. A DC9 Captain moving to the left seat of a 777 is a windfall, and you have plenty of those thanks to your mess up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You can't necessarily look at which aircraft the person is sitting in. They may be bidding a junior piece of equipment for QOL, just as I am sure pilots do at DAL. That same person that may be going from the DC9 to the 777 (in your example) would actually most likely be going from the DC9 to the 787, 747 or 330 as 787s come on line (I know, I have heard your arguments about not getting 787's...).

 

[General Lee]

So you are a proponent of having the same situation at the new DAL?
Well, we had some problems with Pan Am guys moving around in seniority prior to the DL acquistion (The "Dirty 30" for example), but that was a problem that stayed with Pan Am---blamed on Pan Am pilots.


Not true, there may be a few, but there are not that many left on the -9. Most have moved on to other aircraft. On narrowbodies. That is the key. They may have moved on to the minibus (A320 or 319), and maybe some to the 757, but not many in the widebody categories---especially "premium" widebody posistions as you guys call it.


You can't necessarily look at which aircraft the person is sitting in. They may be bidding a junior piece of equipment for QOL, just as I am sure pilots do at DAL. That same person that may be going from the DC9 to the 777 (in your example) would actually most likely be going from the DC9 to the 787, 747 or 330 as 787s come on line (I know, I have heard your arguments about not getting 787's...). There is no guarantee that will happen, along with those senior guys in MEM on the DC9 waiting for ATL 777. Nobody knows, but we do know there is a lot of pent up seniority that was not exercised because of your fences recently coming down, and no displacements at the same time to allow the "true" seniority to show. No displacements equals no movement, until a merger. That hopefully will be looked at, because it is a windfall. Base it on current salary or a future salary, and then people don't get windfalls. Just like you say that you will have a large chunk of retirements coming up too. Guess what? We will have the same chunk of retirements about 5 years later. We will all move up due to both of those retirements. Windfalls can occur with large salary jumps, and that along with fixing a problem created by your pilots is not fair. The Pan Am guys (those Dirty 30) screwed their own pilots before getting on our list, and that was not fixed by us---it was an internal problem brought into our list, that was not fixed afterwards.

There you have it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[123]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but just want to point out that I believe that the SLI agreement process does not allow pay rates to be used in comparing anything.