Delta acquisition of NWA almost finalized!

[ACL65PILOT]

Awesome. I guess that stuff is good for an old fart's heart.

 

[Superpilot92]

One of your former co-workers is here, so I can make an exact comparison, to you Super. It is not a guesstimate.

Some of your former co-workers are here and can make the same comparisons. Like is said both sides have their +'s and -'s. I agree with you that we all have way to much time left with this company to get worked up about all of this. My point is only that those at DAL that are trying to argue that junior DAL pilots have better career expectations than those at NWA because they are on widebodies NOW need to not only be looking at NOW. Apples to oranges.

 

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I can tell you that I did the math of NWA and DAL before coming here.

You serious?

Fin Fans: Like the boy in orthopaedic shoes, I stand corrected. I wrote that "no one I know considered NWA" and apparently that statement is incorrect. Crap, that's the second time this year that I've been wrong ....

 

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Some of your former co-workers are here and can make the same comparisons.

How did that happen, they get fired?

 

[michael707767]

The problem is that the new DAL guys may be moving up quick right now because of the bailout of the top of the list and that will plateau at some point.. NWA hasnt had our large retirements #'s or bailouts happen yet and because of age 65 that has put a ? for when people will leave in the next 4 years. The AVERAGE age of the NWA seniority list is something like 53 or 54 years old, the numbers are there. Had we stayed NWA i would be at 45% on the list in the next 10-13 years. We have a "crystal ball" that alpa set up that shows our projected career progression. It shows me in the top 2000 for the last 25 years of my career and retiring at number 3. How does that compare to career progression at DAL for a new guy? Just because a DAL guy is in a widebody as an FO now doesnt mean his/her career progression is better than that of a NWA guy. Apples to oranges and many factors contribute to the equation.

The NWA pilots need to get over the early outs. The vast majority of them would have retired at age 60, before the rule change, anyway. And as far as retirements going forward, yes NWA has more short term, but Delta has more long term.

No, just because a DL pilot is in a widebody now doesn't mean their future progression is better. Re-read what I said. Current seat, current progression. That includes the retirements you expect, as well as new aircraft, aircraft going away, etc.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Agree with that statement for the most part. There are some issues with it. I am sure that all sides will be disceted for all of to see in the coming weeks.
As stated, this is out of the rank-and-file pilot's hands. We had our vote. You can talk your LEC reps ears off, but both sides know what is at stake and are going to fight vehemently for the best out come for their member's. No one should take it personally. It may get ugly, but when it is over it is over. We need to on some level have the ability to move on.
On a side note, you will be a CA on something by the time your are 33 if you want it. Personally, I am all about quality v/s quantity. Give me an ER, or wide body FO line and I will probably stay there for many many years. My wife may have different ideas, but that is my goal.

 

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and our 787's are delayed.

Who's 787's?

I had to correct the lady on the Boeing tour too. That red tail throws a lot of folks off. Fortunately in the building next door they have three 777's on the line for Delta, so they can see how the paint is supposed to look.

Hope you know I'm just yanking your chain.

See you for Thanksgiving. Hopefully we will both be thankful for something.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You serious?

Fin Fans: Like the boy in orthopedic shoes, I stand corrected. I wrote that "no one I know considered NWA" and apparently that statement is incorrect. Crap, that's the second time this year that I've been wrong ....

FIN, I did a comparative analysis of everywhere. It is what I do. You do the same thing. Not that it was an option. As stated, quality over quantity. I am from the Midwest and NWA was no where near one of my top choices. It was a backup. Cripes I even turned SWA down for DAL. We will see how that decision plays out in the ensuing years.

 

[michael707767]

My point is only that those at DAL that are trying to argue that junior DAL pilots have better career expectations than those at NWA because they are on widebodies NOW need to not only be looking at NOW. Apples to oranges.

I actually agree with your point. However, that a DAL junior pilot is on a widebody is still a factor in the SLI, and I still think the longterm prospects of a Delta new hire are better.

 

[Superpilot92]

Fact is that at my retirement date I am over 220 number senior to where you would be on the same date.

You were hired at DAL before me and are older than me. What are you using as your placement and mine on a list? Also 220 numbers isnt alot, especially considering i have 10 more years post ACL65Pilot

I appreciate the good a discussion. In all seriousness I look forward to how this pans out because either way i think we are sitting in good positions. Ultimately we got in at the front end of what will eventually be a big wave.

(ps, i just ordered my nifty DAL name tag, does that get me up the totem pole any? )

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is an excel sheet that I created. It has the seniority lists from both companies with DOH and DOB are two separate fields. Put in what you want the data to show and it gives the answer.
I retire in 2038-2039 and that is the date that I am looking at.

 

[Superpilot92]

Who's 787's?

I had to correct the lady on the Boeing tour too. That red tail throws a lot of folks off. Fortunately in the building next door they have three 777's on the line for Delta, so they can see how the paint is supposed to look.

Hope you know I'm just yanking your chain.

See you for Thanksgiving. Hopefully we will both be thankful for something.

Yikes your in your 40's? Your like my dads age!! LMAO no not really. My turn to yank your chain :laugh: All in good fun fins.

To be honest i am ready for this to be over so we can move forward as a single pilots group and start biching about important things like, coke or pepsi products.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Better be Coke. But we need Dr. Pepper back. It was a sad day when they took that off the jets.

 

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Pepsi isn't even a consideration. I could fly Corporate out of Atlanta and get Coke products.

Besides, Delta changed their subsidiary's call sign to Candler in honor of the Atlanta family associated with Coke. That'd be like Cats and Dogs sleeping together, like Fox news in the CNN building ....

Pepsi

uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:uke:​

 

[Superpilot92]

Better be Coke. But we need Dr. Pepper back. It was a sad day when they took that off the jets.

I agree, Dr.Pepper FTW!!! :beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, the Dublin Dr. Pepper is the best.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yes, the Dublin Dr. Pepper is the best.

Sshhhh, that needs to be a secret of Texas. There is a Dr.Pepper museum in Waco. :beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sad, but I know I have been there.
If you go to Dublin you can get some Dr. Pepper made that day or the day before. It is awesome.
Almost went by this weekend when I was land shopping.

 

[123]

What? I never said that a narrow body pilot who can hold widebody and is senior to me, should be junior to me. What I said was a narrow body F/O at NWA or DAL who CAN NOT HOLD A WIDEBODY at NWA or DAL should be junior to any widebody pilot. ...Just because DAL has a lot more widebdoies does not mean that NWA pilots should enjoy bigger equipment on top of the much bigger raise you all got.[/

Did you learn this theory from your Red Book father?

It may be hard for you to understand. Let me try it this way.
You should be able to hold the same equipment the day after the SLI just like you did the day before.

Agreed, that is why there will not be a bump and flush. You will still hold the equipment after the merger.

 

[General Lee]

Did you learn this theory from your Red Book father?



Agreed, that is why there will not be a bump and flush. You will still hold the equipment after the merger.

That really is not fair because at NWA you have pent up seniority thanks to your redbook, greenbook situation. There are MANY DC9 Captains that are senior but could NEVER hold larger because the redbook guys were NEVER displaced. That was YOUR problem, created by YOU GUYS, and now you want to "set everything right" be releasing them on our widebodies, after you created the problem. Well, that is why using current salary is more fair---when looking at the SLI. It keeps people where they were before the merger, and keeps associated problems where they WERE originally. A DC9 Captain moving to the left seat of a 777 is a windfall, and you have plenty of those thanks to your mess up.


Bye Bye--General Lee