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[twobits]

how do you come up with 22 months?

 

[Superpilot92]

So it's a Compass pilot's 'dream come true', or worst nightmare depending on the situatiion...... therefore, nobody should be pissed if Compass pilots join the DAL list, because they also will be the first to furlough.

The 9's will be gone soon. Tell me another airline in the civilized world that flies these things? New airplanes are coming.... but they are replacement aircraft. JAL is great for Delta, but bad for Delta pilots, IMHO. It's basically what we don't want to happen in the US, but all of a sudden we are giddy at the prospect of going into another country and doing what we should fear the most. How would you like it if Virgin owned VA, and US Air was bought by Air Asia?

only the 30/40's will be gone by OCT, the -50s will be around for a number of years. They are the "youngest" DC9s (late 70's early 80's) mgmt spent the money painting and converting the interiors because they plan on keeping them up to 2018. they are upping the block hours on the -50s to compensate for the loss of block hours lost with the 30-40's. So instead of 68ish DC9s we'll have 34 by the end of the year. My guess is a loss of 50% in airframes will result in a loss of about 35% in dc9 flying. Some of that will also be replaced with the MD-90s that havent been accounted for yet. The key is to look past the surface on this stuff to get the real picture of whats going on. Combine that with an increase of 10% across the narrowbody flying and we're talking about alot of flying coming up. Alot of that is at the expense of the regionals, the roles are reversing wich is good for us on the mainline side and for those looking to move up someday.

 

[Superpilot92]

how do you come up with 22 months?

thats the number management put out last year when asked about furloughs. 22 months was their number for breakeven on costs thus making it where we are well past the point of needing to furlough especially for a small amount. Unlike other airlines that can furlough and think about it later, our management team has to think about it first because there is a cost associated with it and an expensive cost at that. Supposedly around 60K per pilot thats furloughed due to multiple training cycles with flowing back, bumping compass back, flowing back up and retraining everyone on the upside.

 

[twobits]

If 22 months is what they said, great! Delta already own the simulators, has the instructors on payroll, and are paying check airmen a little bit more for training, how does it take 22 months to break even? There is the power used while in the simulator, and the maintenance, the per diem you get paid in training and the hotel they put you up in. That's it - hardly 22 months worth even compounded by multiple Displacements. What happens if they put 190's at Delta, and when you get furloughed at Delta you get displaced to a 190 at Compass? There will be a short course on procedural differences to come over to the Delta aircraft.


On the 9's.... they painted and redid the interiors on the MD-11's too, and then they sold them! They had to paint and put new interiors in those airplanes, even if they only are going to be used for one year!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If you don't think we can seasonally furlough, think again. Delta or any other airline will hire till they furlough and furlough till they hire. That being said, I don't think that is what is going on. The last bid DID set us up for an easy chop of say 300 off the bottom if something goes wrong. Delta is in love with the 90s(good price, economics, etc...) but there is no definite growth strategy that has been put out, so they are possibly just taking the place of the 9s. Not necessarily 9 flying but until the company announces where they are going we truly don't know. That being said, if JAL doesn't take our money or American's money then they will probably look at the deal long term and go with us(better return). This is the general feeling on the 4th floor. Everything else right now is window dressing, management knows exactly what is gonna happen already. If it goes to us in the above scenario, the flying would more than likely initially be ours. The 787 delays have brought an opportunity for us to get delay aircraft that are outside of anything previously mentioned and will be good for us. The next bid is a 99% guarantee right now(things change don't kill the messenger) that a new base is opening. You guys need to stay on ALPA bout the 100seater staying at mainline. This issue is still something to keep the pressure on from our standpoint. Right now its like a football team with a lead in the final 5 minutes and they play prevent defense. Lets not drop the ball on this cause I can tell you this the 100 seater is just around the corner. Will it be your captain slot ACL, SuperPilot, etc.. or a compass guy's fantasy come true?

Fuzzo,
As you are probably aware I am aware of what 100 seat jet is in the lead. I know what work is being done. I know that it will be my A seat and probably in the next two years if I want it.
That said, I make it known to both sides of the fence what my thought are about the 100 seat jet.

I also know they have no major growth plan except for the 42+16 JAL 90's. A few extra Widebodies we will get from Boeing and the extra stuff that JAL will dump. In the end if we have those jets, the added JAL fly and fly all of the parked metal out in the desert, we will need over 1000 pilots. (2+ years in my eyes)

I know that we are looking at TWO new bases. Of course GUM and the other one that will make many happy. I would like to see both this year.

I also know the way airline hiring works. I also agree and have stated that this is not the plan right now.

In regards to JAL, we are the better deal ,with or without the money. I know there is a plan A and B. I like A better a lot better. Lot of ppl are nervous on the fourth floor, eights floor at the ALPA offices, and Mahogany row. The want the win. The other options could be just as successful, but more risky.

My point about the AE was to state to Twobits that doing this allows them the flexibility they have not had the last few years, IF it gets ugly in the world economy.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

how do you come up with 22 months?

22 months was the min break even with out adding down training costs in the matrix that the company has come up with. It has been known for about two years.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If 22 months is what they said, great! Delta already own the simulators, has the instructors on payroll, and are paying check airmen a little bit more for training, how does it take 22 months to break even? There is the power used while in the simulator, and the maintenance, the per diem you get paid in training and the hotel they put you up in. That's it - hardly 22 months worth even compounded by multiple Displacements. What happens if they put 190's at Delta, and when you get furloughed at Delta you get displaced to a 190 at Compass? There will be a short course on procedural differences to come over to the Delta aircraft.


On the 9's.... they painted and redid the interiors on the MD-11's too, and then they sold them! They had to paint and put new interiors in those airplanes, even if they only are going to be used for one year!

Even if I got furloughed here off the 73N and walked in to SWA the next day I would have to go through a full course. Why? Different certificates. Just like CPS

 

[jonjuan]

I know that we are looking at TWO new bases. Of course GUM and the other one that will make many happy. I would like to see both this year.

Please let the other base be Tuscaloosa.

 

[Superpilot92]

imho this AE had nothing to do with alighning for furlough, it just so happens that with the joint bid it put people in planes that was more in line with their seniority. Also with the replacement of RJ flying with narrowbody (10% increase) they NEEDED more people on the narrowbodys to cover the schedule.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Agreed Super, just stating the obvious and telling ppl not to get jumpy.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Please let the other base be Tuscaloosa.

Little farther west on I-20

 

[dragon]

Little farther west on I-20

Perhaps where it intersects with I-35?

 

[Truckdriver]

Little farther west on I-20

Hey ACL, what is their thinking on going back in there with a base? Is it just another shot at AMR or do they really think they can open it back up and make some $$?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hey ACL, what is their thinking on going back in there with a base? Is it just another shot at AMR or do they really think they can open it back up and make some $$?

LOTs of O and D that we can take advantage of. Just purely rumor ( heard it from one of my neighbors who works in TOC) imp:

Lots of stuff going on out there. Keep hearing 20 gates, bought back the hanger and more flights. I know for sure four LGA's a day as all of the gate agents are falling all over this info.

Seems Tim Mapes has been out there a bunch too.....

 

[FUZZO]

Fuzzo,
As you are probably aware I am aware of what 100 seat jet is in the lead. I know what work is being done. I know that it will be my A seat and probably in the next two years if I want it.
That said, I make it known to both sides of the fence what my thought are about the 100 seat jet.

I also know they have no major growth plan except for the 42+16 JAL 90's. A few extra Widebodies we will get from Boeing and the extra stuff that JAL will dump. In the end if we have those jets, the added JAL fly and fly all of the parked metal out in the desert, we will need over 1000 pilots. (2+ years in my eyes)

I know that we are looking at TWO new bases. Of course GUM and the other one that will make many happy. I would like to see both this year.

I also know the way airline hiring works. I also agree and have stated that this is not the plan right now.

In regards to JAL, we are the better deal ,with or without the money. I know there is a plan A and B. I like A better a lot better. Lot of ppl are nervous on the fourth floor, eights floor at the ALPA offices, and Mahogany row. The want the win. The other options could be just as successful, but more risky.

My point about the AE was to state to Twobits that doing this allows them the flexibility they have not had the last few years, IF it gets ugly in the world economy.

ACL,

No I know you know this stuff. I should state that I know of no intended furloughs, we are alot closer to hiring than furloughing. Delta's current move hinges on JAL. Then our hand will be forced and we will truly know where things are going.