ASA managment ready to continue?????

["GO AROUND"]

It was confirmed by the MEC/CNC. The info I got as a P2P was that it was confirmed but not by who. My guess is the NMB called our CNC.

The question becomes, how many txs can the mediator park us B4 we can resort to self help? If we are called back to the table and nothing gets done isn't the 30 day cooling off period the next step? It would seem like that was the reason the company was dragging it's feet about sending its latest proposal to the mediator.

According to the MEC/CNC the informal meetings they had were going well and things were moving in the right direction. But, when the union expressed their interest in getting back with the NMB the mood of the company changed at the last meeting.

They tied everything to a PBS system that had not been seen and knowing the company they would have wanted to make it up as they went along with no input from the union.

The company wanted no accountability to the NMB for basically ruining section 13 with a PBS. A section that has been TA'd no less under the mediator. The Company was asked 3 or more times during those sessions in front of the mediator if they wanted a PBS and they said no. They know that would piss the mediator off to scrap all that work they did.

 

[JettBoii]

ASA blows.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireWell Go Around, maybe the mediator will see the BS the company is pulling and will give them a "coming to Jesus talk!" Get this done or else....
All I can say is that mgmnt better get this deal done before this place EXPLODES!!!!! People are NOT HAPPY around this MO FO!! Get R Done JA!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Rumors from Family Awareness dinner is that proposals have been forwarded to ALPA National's Atty for review and decision whether to proceed. Further, there has been no progress on scope. However, retirement is still on the table. Flying all aircraft with a blended list has been absolutely refused by ALPA. There are quite a few pilots that would like that option (to get off the junior slots on the 700 while other people want to fly the 700). Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

I hope what I heard is wrong, but dammit it sounds like ALPA. Flip, why can't our Representatives Represent the pilots without getting national's approval. Do you think the Delta pilots run every proposal past National's attorneys first? Hardly.

ALPA National would be just as happy to see ASA disappear. I don't trust them and think our MEC should take up a special assessment to get our own Counsel that answers to our MEC.

Again, this post is unsubstantiated rumor, but it encourages me to continue looking for another job.

 

[cbrown1]

Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

Where has this been said other than rumor? I haven't seen this is writting yet, I have seen that in October that there will be 180 fo and 180 capt slots for the 700 in Atl. So I doubt they would have 80 people on reserve.

I have also hear that there are 15 crj200s in yul with our names on them, I don't know how true that is but i've heard the same thing from many people about them.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Rumors from Family Awareness dinner ..... Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

There you have it.

 

[cbrown1]

Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

 

[Tomct]

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

I'll be outta ATL as fast as possible. LAX can't come fast enough!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Rumors Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

Did you mean to say that a/c are skd to be transfered? As of yet nothing has been sent to the SKW side of the street. Also, we are skd to continue the CR7 out of SLC well beyond the OCT skd.

I fail to see the long term benefit that JA will have to actually transfer a/c to SKW. Once our deal is done I don't see SKW keeping those sweetheart wages for the company. They will either see a bump to at least match our new deal or join ALPA which JA really doesn't want.

With a blended a/c list also comes dual qualifications that allot of guys really don't want and the possibility of making single rate jet FO pay scales.

Fly Safe...

 

[FixNFly]

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

Where do you see that?

According to the Sept. Assignments there are 103 Cpt. and 100 FO's in ATL and 65 Capt's & 56 FO's in SLC (total = Capt:168 ; FO's:156)

The 06-12 Preliminary Position Notice (effective date:12/01/06) shows a total of 159 Cpt's in ATL and 146 FO's in ATL. That's a decrease of 9 captains and 10 FO's. NOT an increase.

 

[scarlet]

we all are not opposed to flying both aircraft.. As long as we are paid for flying the 70 seat flights.. IF you are some what senior your QOL would be better !! And I know ALPA here says IT IS NOT SAFE, but then most companies out there flies differences in aircraft..CAL, Southwest,DAL,etc.

Lets just get it done !! both sides are as crazy as the next !!

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

 

[Bizjet]

we all are not opposed to flying both aircraft.. As long as we are paid for flying the 70 seat flights.. IF you are some what senior your QOL would be better !! And I know ALPA here says IT IS NOT SAFE, but then most companies out there flies differences in aircraft..CAL, Southwest,DAL,etc.

Lets just get it done !! both sides are as crazy as the next !!

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

We are not opposed to flying both aircraft? Who is included in your "WE"? Are you going to run for office or are you just one of those who is unhappy with anyone who serves? If you don't want to do it are you one of those who just don't like or respect those that have stepped up to the plate and served?

 

[GreatView]

We are not opposed to flying both aircraft? Who is included in your "WE"? Are you going to run for office or are you just one of those who is unhappy with anyone who serves? If you don't want to do it are you one of those who just don't like or respect those that have stepped up to the plate and served?

I too am not opposed to it....as long as 70 seat flying is paid as 70 seat flying. I love how ALPA calls it a safety issue when many other carriers fly common type aircraft who are represented by the exact same union. And, if you think it is UNSAFE, how do you feel about our brave military pilots who fly other a/c types (completely different without a common thread of similiarity) and also fly with us.

My point here is that it ISN'T unsafe, it's just a bargaining chip.....That's all...nothing else....

 

[John Pennekamp]

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

So you're voting everyone out? Well to start, you can't vote out the MEC officers. Only the MEC members vote for them.

Second, the only people I've heard of running for ATL CA rep are Manzo, Tomlin, and Farruzi. Manzo is an IP and a vote for him lets a single issue special interest group hijack our contract into what's good for them. Tomlin is very close with the current MEC as the SPC chairman, and is a former MEC member as the DFW FO Rep, so not likely he'll vote out the MEC. Farruzi is the current ATL FO rep and can't run for FO again since he upgraded, but is very tight with Newhouse, the MEC chairman. So unless you plan to vote for Manzo, how are you going to "vote people out"? Will you get off your butt and run? Good luck, I've been there and it's a second job you don't get paid for!!! You may not like your reps, but don't criticize them until you've tried it. Nobody likes an armchair quarterback, SPORT!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I too am not opposed to it....as long as 70 seat flying is paid as 70 seat flying. I love how ALPA calls it a safety issue when many other carriers fly common type aircraft who are represented by the exact same union. And, if you think it is UNSAFE, how do you feel about our brave military pilots who fly other a/c types (completely different without a common thread of similiarity) and also fly with us.

My point here is that it ISN'T unsafe, it's just a bargaining chip.....That's all...nothing else....

OK. Go talk to the IPs who think it's unsafe for THEM to be dual qual, and think it's ludicrous for a mere line pilot. Just because others are dumb enough to try it and have been lucky, doesn't make it safe.

Some gripes:
Landing picture
Power on vs power off landing
Different limitations to remember (2 sets)
Drastically different performance, especially up high
Different cockpit layout

There is no way I would ever be dual qual with the 50. 90 yes, but not the 50. They are totally different airplanes. It's like being dual qual with a Challenger 604 and a Global Express.