ASA managment ready to continue?????

[~~~^~~~]

Rumors from Family Awareness dinner ..... Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

There you have it.

 

[cbrown1]

Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

 

[Tomct]

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

I'll be outta ATL as fast as possible. LAX can't come fast enough!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Rumors Further, our P2P are finally admitting the obvious, that airplanes are being transferred to SkyWest.

Did you mean to say that a/c are skd to be transfered? As of yet nothing has been sent to the SKW side of the street. Also, we are skd to continue the CR7 out of SLC well beyond the OCT skd.

I fail to see the long term benefit that JA will have to actually transfer a/c to SKW. Once our deal is done I don't see SKW keeping those sweetheart wages for the company. They will either see a bump to at least match our new deal or join ALPA which JA really doesn't want.

With a blended a/c list also comes dual qualifications that allot of guys really don't want and the possibility of making single rate jet FO pay scales.

Fly Safe...

 

[FixNFly]

I'm just questioning how people can see this as obvious? The Atlanta crj700 seniority list shows that 80 captains and 80 f/os (or however many there are in slc) are being added after the SLC closure. So like I said before I have yet to see anything in black and white that says 'We are losing our 13 airplanes'. I do however see that they are coming back to atlanta.

Where do you see that?

According to the Sept. Assignments there are 103 Cpt. and 100 FO's in ATL and 65 Capt's & 56 FO's in SLC (total = Capt:168 ; FO's:156)

The 06-12 Preliminary Position Notice (effective date:12/01/06) shows a total of 159 Cpt's in ATL and 146 FO's in ATL. That's a decrease of 9 captains and 10 FO's. NOT an increase.

 

[scarlet]

we all are not opposed to flying both aircraft.. As long as we are paid for flying the 70 seat flights.. IF you are some what senior your QOL would be better !! And I know ALPA here says IT IS NOT SAFE, but then most companies out there flies differences in aircraft..CAL, Southwest,DAL,etc.

Lets just get it done !! both sides are as crazy as the next !!

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

 

[Bizjet]

we all are not opposed to flying both aircraft.. As long as we are paid for flying the 70 seat flights.. IF you are some what senior your QOL would be better !! And I know ALPA here says IT IS NOT SAFE, but then most companies out there flies differences in aircraft..CAL, Southwest,DAL,etc.

Lets just get it done !! both sides are as crazy as the next !!

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

We are not opposed to flying both aircraft? Who is included in your "WE"? Are you going to run for office or are you just one of those who is unhappy with anyone who serves? If you don't want to do it are you one of those who just don't like or respect those that have stepped up to the plate and served?

 

[GreatView]

We are not opposed to flying both aircraft? Who is included in your "WE"? Are you going to run for office or are you just one of those who is unhappy with anyone who serves? If you don't want to do it are you one of those who just don't like or respect those that have stepped up to the plate and served?

I too am not opposed to it....as long as 70 seat flying is paid as 70 seat flying. I love how ALPA calls it a safety issue when many other carriers fly common type aircraft who are represented by the exact same union. And, if you think it is UNSAFE, how do you feel about our brave military pilots who fly other a/c types (completely different without a common thread of similiarity) and also fly with us.

My point here is that it ISN'T unsafe, it's just a bargaining chip.....That's all...nothing else....

 

[John Pennekamp]

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

So you're voting everyone out? Well to start, you can't vote out the MEC officers. Only the MEC members vote for them.

Second, the only people I've heard of running for ATL CA rep are Manzo, Tomlin, and Farruzi. Manzo is an IP and a vote for him lets a single issue special interest group hijack our contract into what's good for them. Tomlin is very close with the current MEC as the SPC chairman, and is a former MEC member as the DFW FO Rep, so not likely he'll vote out the MEC. Farruzi is the current ATL FO rep and can't run for FO again since he upgraded, but is very tight with Newhouse, the MEC chairman. So unless you plan to vote for Manzo, how are you going to "vote people out"? Will you get off your butt and run? Good luck, I've been there and it's a second job you don't get paid for!!! You may not like your reps, but don't criticize them until you've tried it. Nobody likes an armchair quarterback, SPORT!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I too am not opposed to it....as long as 70 seat flying is paid as 70 seat flying. I love how ALPA calls it a safety issue when many other carriers fly common type aircraft who are represented by the exact same union. And, if you think it is UNSAFE, how do you feel about our brave military pilots who fly other a/c types (completely different without a common thread of similiarity) and also fly with us.

My point here is that it ISN'T unsafe, it's just a bargaining chip.....That's all...nothing else....

OK. Go talk to the IPs who think it's unsafe for THEM to be dual qual, and think it's ludicrous for a mere line pilot. Just because others are dumb enough to try it and have been lucky, doesn't make it safe.

Some gripes:
Landing picture
Power on vs power off landing
Different limitations to remember (2 sets)
Drastically different performance, especially up high
Different cockpit layout

There is no way I would ever be dual qual with the 50. 90 yes, but not the 50. They are totally different airplanes. It's like being dual qual with a Challenger 604 and a Global Express.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

If this does go through, you can bet that a single rate jet FO scale will follow. That rate will not be as high as present CR7 FO pay. It will be somewhere in the middle of CR2 and CR7 just as the other carriers have done it.

I am not oppose to it as long as the training skds are clear in the contract i.e. how are PCs and Lofts to be performed.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If this does go through, you can bet that a single rate jet FO scale will follow. That rate will not be as high as present CR7 FO pay. It will be somewhere in the middle of CR2 and CR7 just as the other carriers have done it.

I am not oppose to it as long as the training skds are clear in the contract i.e. how are PCs and Lofts to be performed.

We cannot leave our FOs behind. ASA has traditionally paid our FOs 60% of captain pay, and we cannot sell out the next generation for ourselves. Management's divide and conquer strategy will not work, management shills like yourself notwithstanding.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

JP, I simply state the obvious. What other benefit would there be to mgmnt to have dual qual FOs?

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP, I simply state the obvious. What other benefit would there be to mgmnt to have dual qual FOs?

OK, sorry for the management shill crack. You're right, I'm sure they'd love to implement a single FO scale. I'm sure they'd love to implement a single scale for everyone. This is why we have to stick to our guns and fight for what's right. Skywest Inc is making millions per quarter off our backs, while we hold up this crappy operation with our sweat. They need to take care of us or shut this place down. We need to tell them no more slave labor!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

This is why I see JA comment about sending our CR7s to SKW as only a threat. Once SKW rates are Increased and they will increase once our deal is done, the benefit goes away and opening a base for them in ATL makes no sense.

 

[John Pennekamp]

This is why I see JA comment about sending our CR7s to SKW as only a threat. Once SKW rates are Increased and they will increase once our deal is done, the benefit goes away and opening a base for them in ATL makes no sense.

Of course it's just a threat. Why would JA cut his own throat by killing the cash cow? The SKW pilots will always be more expensive because they get an automatic raise every time someone else does. If he forgoes the raise, they'll go union and get it anyhow. They'v got Jerry by the bals.

 

[bailout]

somethings gonna give somewhere. the SLC CPs are being told to stay there until "at least dec 31st." At the family awarness meeting we were told that we're not so sure SLC will close afterall. Hmmm... And doesnt the LAX flying show 50 and 70 seat routes? How are they going to pull that off?

 

[John Pennekamp]

somethings gonna give somewhere. the SLC CPs are being told to stay there until "at least dec 31st." At the family awarness meeting we were told that we're not so sure SLC will close afterall. Hmmm... And doesnt the LAX flying show 50 and 70 seat routes? How are they going to pull that off?

According to our MEC, every time they ask SH or CT if SLC is really closing they get a conditional like "for now" or "at this time", or the "current" plan is...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

According to our MEC, every time they ask SH or CT if SLC is really closing they get a conditional like "for now" or "at this time", or the "current" plan is...

That must sit well with the people thinking of relocating their families for a second time in as many years.

 

[~~~^~~~]

No kidding, I and I tried to emphasize the word rumor in my post. I don't know if SkyWest knows what they are going to do and I'm positive ASA Management doesn't know for sure.

One of the Chief Pilots was talking to the Aiport Manager where my hangar is - telling him ASA is gearing up for rapid growth and more airplanes are coming, really? ASA is about as nuts as I ever seen any business. If their goal is to keep us guessing, they have succeeded.