ASA managment ready to continue?????

[atlcrjdriver]

If this does go through, you can bet that a single rate jet FO scale will follow. That rate will not be as high as present CR7 FO pay. It will be somewhere in the middle of CR2 and CR7 just as the other carriers have done it.

I am not oppose to it as long as the training skds are clear in the contract i.e. how are PCs and Lofts to be performed.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If this does go through, you can bet that a single rate jet FO scale will follow. That rate will not be as high as present CR7 FO pay. It will be somewhere in the middle of CR2 and CR7 just as the other carriers have done it.

I am not oppose to it as long as the training skds are clear in the contract i.e. how are PCs and Lofts to be performed.

We cannot leave our FOs behind. ASA has traditionally paid our FOs 60% of captain pay, and we cannot sell out the next generation for ourselves. Management's divide and conquer strategy will not work, management shills like yourself notwithstanding.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

JP, I simply state the obvious. What other benefit would there be to mgmnt to have dual qual FOs?

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP, I simply state the obvious. What other benefit would there be to mgmnt to have dual qual FOs?

OK, sorry for the management shill crack. You're right, I'm sure they'd love to implement a single FO scale. I'm sure they'd love to implement a single scale for everyone. This is why we have to stick to our guns and fight for what's right. Skywest Inc is making millions per quarter off our backs, while we hold up this crappy operation with our sweat. They need to take care of us or shut this place down. We need to tell them no more slave labor!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

This is why I see JA comment about sending our CR7s to SKW as only a threat. Once SKW rates are Increased and they will increase once our deal is done, the benefit goes away and opening a base for them in ATL makes no sense.

 

[John Pennekamp]

This is why I see JA comment about sending our CR7s to SKW as only a threat. Once SKW rates are Increased and they will increase once our deal is done, the benefit goes away and opening a base for them in ATL makes no sense.

Of course it's just a threat. Why would JA cut his own throat by killing the cash cow? The SKW pilots will always be more expensive because they get an automatic raise every time someone else does. If he forgoes the raise, they'll go union and get it anyhow. They'v got Jerry by the bals.

 

[bailout]

somethings gonna give somewhere. the SLC CPs are being told to stay there until "at least dec 31st." At the family awarness meeting we were told that we're not so sure SLC will close afterall. Hmmm... And doesnt the LAX flying show 50 and 70 seat routes? How are they going to pull that off?

 

[John Pennekamp]

somethings gonna give somewhere. the SLC CPs are being told to stay there until "at least dec 31st." At the family awarness meeting we were told that we're not so sure SLC will close afterall. Hmmm... And doesnt the LAX flying show 50 and 70 seat routes? How are they going to pull that off?

According to our MEC, every time they ask SH or CT if SLC is really closing they get a conditional like "for now" or "at this time", or the "current" plan is...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

According to our MEC, every time they ask SH or CT if SLC is really closing they get a conditional like "for now" or "at this time", or the "current" plan is...

That must sit well with the people thinking of relocating their families for a second time in as many years.

 

[~~~^~~~]

No kidding, I and I tried to emphasize the word rumor in my post. I don't know if SkyWest knows what they are going to do and I'm positive ASA Management doesn't know for sure.

One of the Chief Pilots was talking to the Aiport Manager where my hangar is - telling him ASA is gearing up for rapid growth and more airplanes are coming, really? ASA is about as nuts as I ever seen any business. If their goal is to keep us guessing, they have succeeded.

 

[sweptback]

If this does go through, you can bet that a single rate jet FO scale will follow. That rate will not be as high as present CR7 FO pay. It will be somewhere in the middle of CR2 and CR7 just as the other carriers have done it.

I am not oppose to it as long as the training skds are clear in the contract i.e. how are PCs and Lofts to be performed.

Ok, why would a single rate FO payscale logically follow but not a single rate CA scale? You almost sound like you are in favor of this, even though you're a FO.

For the record, I think a single rate would be ludicrous. I could be convinced to support dual qualification as long as a single payrate didn't exist and schedules were done so you don't swap between aircraft types on a trip.

 

[701EV]

we all are not opposed to flying both aircraft.. As long as we are paid for flying the 70 seat flights.. IF you are some what senior your QOL would be better !! And I know ALPA here says IT IS NOT SAFE, but then most companies out there flies differences in aircraft..CAL, Southwest,DAL,etc.

Lets just get it done !! both sides are as crazy as the next !!

As in 2006., I am voting people out of the positions they are in, we need new people in office, and in this union !!

Not only does ALPA say its not safe so does our Training Dept. That comes from the IP's who flew them in the early days.Then our Director of Training made the decision to fly two different types. Don't you think Drew and Nelson would have rammed it down our throats to fly both types, even they thought it was not safe.

701EV

 

[Tomct]

Guys don't worry about the "dual Qual" stuff. They are going to get rid of the 50's as fast as they can. The 70 seater is the best aircraft for the job. It is the "cat's meow!"
On a side note, if they do want dual qualified pilots, then they better get ready to pay us NOTHING but 70 Seat RATES!!! I for one, think that the idea of closing SLC 2 months before opening LAX will be a HUGE "loss of cash" for ASA. Although, we all know that ASA would step over a $1,000 to pick up $100. ZERO thought process around this MO FO! I can't WAIT for this place to melt down.....5,4,3,2,1..........BOOM!!!!!:laugh:

 

[Speedtape]

The company's timing of wanting to finally get back to the table is tied to the RFP announcement and the ensuing turmoil on the other properties to lower cost to retain flying. Bend over, the race to the bottom is about to begin!

 

[Speedtape]

Dual qual will be concessionary at ASA.