Airtran MEC voted no

[Nindiri]

Just so we are clear. I am fine with a staple.

Gup

Okay, we will staple you.

 

[redflyer65]

Looks like the company has informed SWAPA that all monetary offers are off the table, and they have no plans to intervene during mediation. Email sent out tonight.

RF

 

[Flycatcher99]

Yes, they definitely promised a staple or near staple. SWA pilots on here like Willie Nelson, Bravodude, the guy with the Einstein avatar whatever his name was, and others have confirmed numerous times here that their friends and connections in SWAPA have assured them of a staple. And they've made it clear here that they expect this promise to be kept; just a day ago, Bravodude promised to burn the house down if he didn't get his way.

This is not a good situation for SWAPA, or for anyone else involved.

Please find one of the posts where one of our guys quotes swapa as promising a staple.

It's simply not true. Keep claiming that if you want, but it doesn't make it any more true. There were indeed many of our guys who wanted it, but swapa absolutely kept a lid on any speculation or strategy. Unlike some other union folk.

 

[Flycatcher99]

Why? It will just be thrown back in our face again as "You're lying."

The simple FACT is, in front of about 250 or so line pilots, the ENTIRE MEC, including ALL status reps, Sec/Treas from each domicile, the Chairman, Vice-Chairman, MEC Sec/Treas, Neg Comm Chair, Merger Committee, ALPA EVP, and 2 Senior ALPA Attorneys, the MEC explained what happened in Dallas the weekend the AIP was agreed to and went into the EXACT detail that Fly-By-Wire posted above that has been called "a lie".

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THE ROOM SAID THAT ACCOUNT WASN'T ACCURATE. NOT ONE. Make no mistake, when one of the reps said the one thing in that account that wasn't agreed with (who called who on Saturday morning), they got into a BIG tit-for-tat, but on the IMPORTANT POINTS ABOVE, not one single person among the people in our leadership who were FOR the agreement spoke up and said that account was incorrect.

So our entire leadership, including the MC who brought this thing and believed in it, agree with the account Fly-By-Wire posted of how it happened. You may not like that. SWAPA may not like it. No one's asking you to. But to insist that it's a "lie" is really not your position to make.

So basically, what you want us to believe is that some of your union guys got up, told the whole story as they "saw" it, and then since not one of the other union cronies corrected the story to make it less favorable from the air tran perspective, then naturally the story was the complete unadulterated truth.

Uh huh.

 

[On Your Six]

Looks like the company has informed SWAPA that all monetary offers are off the table, and they have no plans to intervene during mediation. Email sent out tonight.

RF

The Process Agreement still has arbitration as the next step after mediation I believe. It could go that route, and if SWA or SWAPA do not follow the binding award, there will be even more cracks in that famous culture of yours as time goes by. Eventually equal pay will happen, and it could turn into a war of attrition, which may not turn out well for all sides. Godspeed!


OYS

 

[chase]

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[Fly-By-Cable]

Looks like the company has informed SWAPA that all monetary offers are off the table, and they have no plans to intervene during mediation. Email sent out tonight.

RF

They can't. Mediation is a very formal setting between two parties.

 

[Nindiri]

Please find one of the posts where one of our guys quotes swapa as promising a staple.

It's simply not true. Keep claiming that if you want, but it doesn't make it any more true. There were indeed many of our guys who wanted it, but swapa absolutely kept a lid on any speculation or strategy. Unlike some other union folk.

I already pointed out several SWA pilots confirming it on this board. And, of course, it was all over the SWA pilots' board.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised at SWAPA making such a tactical blunder and painting themselves into this corner. They had to know they couldn't deliver on such a promise, so why did they make it?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

2. Mediation is scheduled for next month.

Gup

Still don't see it ha? SC promised to follow the Process Agreement which says that arbitrator's ruling will be final and binding....ooops.

 

[FDJ2]

The Process Agreement still has arbitration as the next step after mediation I believe. It could go that route, and if SWA or SWAPA do not follow the binding award, there will be even more cracks in that famous culture of yours as time goes by. Eventually equal pay will happen, and it could turn into a war of attrition, which may not turn out well for all sides. Godspeed!


OYS

I agree that equal pay will ultimately happen, it's just a matter of time.

This process will be very stressful on those involved, but ultimately, absent a negotiated list, a third part neutral will review all the facts and make the call if the respective merger committees can't. It wont be the first time or the last this has happen.