Airtran MEC voted no

[ATLplt]

Then why didn't the MEC let the majority of their pilots say so themselves?

Because you need to have a proposal worth voting for in order to send it out to the membership. The MEC felt it was not adequate, so we all move on...to a mutually agreed upon next step in the process.

 

[JT12345]

Fair and equiptable to both sides, that's where. You clowns spout off B/M and A/M every chance you get, how about "what's in it for the SWA pilots"? Your career expectations just went through the roof, what about the SWA pilot? What does he get out of this? You have nothing to offer this pilot group, so you have to purchase your gains with a seniority loss. That is exactly what will happen in arbitration, hopefully even better SWA seniority gains this time.



Again with this stupid reference, I beginning to understand more and more how AAI is so messed up. As another poster pointed out, that example is relative skewed. If we used relative, the SWA pilots would receive an even bigger percentage loss than that. If you use DOH, you guys will still lose relative seniority percentage, so what's your point? Clueless.uke:

Let me write at a 3rd grade reading level...

The number was too big.



" If we used relative, the SWA pilots would receive an even bigger percentage loss than that."

Dont get what u mean by "than that" because SWA got a increase.

 

[carl p]

That was due to the speculators running up the price of oil, not the underlying economic conditions. Once the oil bubble popped AT enjoyed record profits in the midst of the recession.

The arguments are really foolish guys, it's the same thing over and over. This is out of our hands. The only thing that we have control over is how we conduct ourselves, especially to each other. If I ever witnessed an AT pilot being unprofessional to a SW pilot I would give that guy an earful. I just want to come to work provide for my family and go home. All the rest of this BS is nonsense.

 

[redflyer65]

Wondering if LH's success rolling the dice over all the years might have come to an end. It appears this MEC vote had very little to do with the members input, just the minorities.

 

[Music]

Wondering if LH's success rolling the dice over all the years might have come to an end. It appears this MEC vote had very little to do with the members input, just the minorities.

I'm not sure I was in the minority or not, and will never know. As you know, I was not in favor of the agreement for a whole host of QOL issues that I've spoke about previously. Furthermore, I expressed my opinion to my LEC representative who ironically was the only one to vote yes. I respect his decision, even though he was only one to vote that way. As far as LH is concerned, I have not been thrilled with his leadership abilities and would not be displeased if we had a change at that position.

 

[dicko]

And you honestly think that 6000 ORIGINAL SWA pilots are going to just sit back and let an arbitrator decide our futures for us. Calls are already beeing made to USAPA for some legal advice.

The funniest post on the entire thread.

 

[Tripower455]

You missing the point, AirTran got nothing from ATA, nothing. You acquired and are now merging with a successful business.

No, you're missing the point.

What was "fair and equitable" for AT pilots then, should be fair and equitable to AT pilots now.

 

[jonjuan]

Just non-rev. Then you don't have to even speak with the porn stars up front.

Gup

Lol-the Peter Norths of Herndon Ave. Memorialized in oil. And it'll only cost ya 2%!

Btw, does that make the corndog drivers the fluffers?

 

[The Prussian]

Because that would show SWAPA guys how many percent they have to tweak this thing to pass, instead of working on a fair deal.

Think.

and that is, of course, assuming it would not have passed the membership. Pretty big assumption on their part, wouldn't you think??

 

[dicko]

Wondering if LH's success rolling the dice over all the years might have come to an end. It appears this MEC vote had very little to do with the members input, just the minorities.

LH nearly stroked out when he heard about the vote. Does it worry you, that you and he completely agree ?

 

[PCL_128]

Then why didn't the MEC let the majority of their pilots say so themselves?

Because it would have wasted a lot of time that could be better spent on mediation and preparing for arbitration. Sending a deal out for a vote when you know it's going to fail by a large margin would be ridiculous.

It appears this MEC vote had very little to do with the members input, just the minorities.

And you base that opinion on what, exactly? You think you know better what the members at AirTran want than their own elected reps do? The arrogance just keeps getting more outlandish.

 

[jonjuan]

Which airline was harder to get hired at?

Apparently not the one which requires the passing of a 6th grade grammar test.

 

[canyonblue]

This is beyond apples and oranges.

That's an insult to oranges everywhere.

 

[JT12345]

As another poster pointed out, that example is relative skewed. If we used relative, the SWA pilots would receive an even bigger percentage loss than that. If you use DOH, you guys will still lose relative seniority percentage, so what's your point? Clueless.uke:

Ok,

Here is another number then if you dont like those numbers.

60% of us were being stapled into the lower 20%.

1737/7865 = 22%

We are 22% of the total pilot group integrated.

 

[canyonblue]

SWA management made a good decision then to buy great hedges. Do you expect them to ALWAYS make good decisions in the future? Then why don't you embrace this one?

I haven't found too many who think it was a "good" decision.

 

[jonjuan]

Wondering if LH's success rolling the dice over all the years might have come to an end. It appears this MEC vote had very little to do with the members input, just the minorities.

Lose the racism,Red.

 

[canyonblue]

Ok,

Here is another number then if you dont like those numbers.

60% of us were being stapled into the lower 20%.

OK, 15% of our pilot group were here before AirTran existed. How ya like those apples?

 

[The Prussian]

OK, 15% of our pilot group were here before AirTran existed. How ya like those apples?

He meant oranges...

 

[canyonblue]

Lose the racism,Red.

Oh yeah, you're real bright. I guess having a Minority Whip in Congress is racist. I saw the movie Minority Report, was it a racist movie? I had a minority interest in a business, was that racist. Stupid comment from an intellectually challenged individual, pathetic.

 

[canyonblue]

He meant oranges...

I thought we were the apples?