AA's new B scale

[BEXFlyer]

I am still furloughed, do you still have your job and your seat back? Yes, I am sure you do. From your avatar I presume your ex BEX. Date of hire was it?

'98. The poster make it sound like nobody was harmed on our side due to the flowbacks.....not true. Even so, I treated EVERY flowback professionally, just like ANY other Captain I flew with. But now the table is turned, and many are complaining. We at Eagle are not the bad guys. We are pawns like you. Many seem to forget that. Some of you have a "blacklist" going around....give me a break.

 

[Flightdawg]

I used to work for ACA based in ORD. I remember when eagle signed that horrible 16 year contract. They gave away the farm just to get flow through.

Incorrect assessment. Eagle signed the 16 year contract as a condition to merge the four Eagles and, they thought, to stop the whipsawing. Management wanted jets for Eagle. If you recall, Eagle was among the last of the large regionals to acquire jets.

The APA went on strike over the issue, but relaxed scope to allow Eagle 67 jets as long as their pilots had furlough protection in them. The Eagle pilots agreed to the flow back as long as they could have flow through.

Did you fly at TWA? Where are you now?

 

[100 c.i.]

Don't shoot the messenger but...

I just commuted on an AA MD80. Both pilots (Both native by the way) showed me a list of Eagle pilots who stand to gain from this arbitrator's ruling. They said the list is rapidly making the rounds.

Captain said "these dumbf-cks won't ever be jumpseating on my plane".

Also said, "If these guys ever come over they're going to wish they stayed at Eagle".

The F/O said, "Those scabs better take there flight bag home with them every night because I'll see to it it won't be there in the morning."

More was said but you get the idea.

I'm not saying this is right just passing on the attitude many of the AA pilots have over this ruling. Figuratively speaking, you guys better bring a bullet proof vest if you do decide to come to the AA side.

Bigmotor,
I to just passing info as its comes in. I say make every last one of them show up and I would put money that 80 percent would quit after a year. Dont make it a option, all or none like the contract these scabs are trying to break. Then I move up a couple of numbers and hopefully return with a line. I am hearing the scab lists are hitting cockpits as we speak. More fun at the circus......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe the AMR guys can decertify the APA and start an in-in house union.....

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Bigmotor,
I to just passing info as its comes in. I say make every last one of them show up and I would put money that 80 percent would quit after a year. Dont make it a option, all or none like the contract these scabs are trying to break. Then I move up a couple of numbers and hopefully return with a line. I am hearing the scab lists are hitting cockpits as we speak. More fun at the circus......

Sounds like a rule 32 to me. Good Luck with that.

 

[XTW]

APA took your 18 years at TWA and stapled you to the bottom of their list, not Eagle ALPA pilots. 18 year TWA pilots got 18 year Captain pay and Captain seats at Eagle. When they went to AA they got 18 year AA pay. The 20 plus year Eagle pilots that chose to acquire AA numbers at the bottom of the list were told they could go over to AA 2 years later at probie pay.

FTR, aa73 is not a former TWA pilot. He is a "native" that happens to look at things rationally.


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[glasspilot]

Incorrect assessment. Eagle signed the 16 year contract as a condition to merge the four Eagles and, they thought, to stop the whipsawing. Management wanted jets for Eagle. If you recall, Eagle was among the last of the large regionals to acquire jets.

The APA went on strike over the issue, but relaxed scope to allow Eagle 67 jets as long as their pilots had furlough protection in them. The Eagle pilots agreed to the flow back as long as they could have flow through.

Did you fly at TWA? Where are you now?

Never flew at TWA. As I recall Eagles contract (the 16 year one) was signed in 1999 or 2000. I could be off but at the time they signed I thought they already had jets on property. I do recall them merging the 4 carriers into one as a result of the contract as well...so I guess they didn't give away the farm for just flow through. I do remember at the time flow back was not even a consideration. Things were moving up for everybody. Post 9/11 is when flow through (100 up) turned into flow back (much more than the original 100).

As I said before. I don't have a dog in the fight. I can see how both the TWA guys and the Eagle guys feel they're getting screwed. I don't know who's more right and worth protecting with a job at the bottom of AA.

Sad situation no matter how you look at it.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Why would AA pilots get upset when they were the ones to back out of the settlement TA that had the furloughs given one chance to defer before flow throughs went to AA? If they didn't kill the TA they wouldn't be in this mess. How many times will APA shoot itself in the foot and then blame somebody else before they run out of toes???

 

[thor2j]

Never flew at TWA. As I recall Eagles contract (the 16 year one) was signed in 1999 or 2000. I could be off but at the time they signed I thought they already had jets on property. I do recall them merging the 4 carriers into one as a result of the contract as well...so I guess they didn't give away the farm for just flow through. I do remember at the time flow back was not even a consideration. Things were moving up for everybody. Post 9/11 is when flow through (100 up) turned into flow back (much more than the original 100).

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Your time line is actually way off. Contract was signed in 96 and flow through was signed in early 98(maybe 97). It was voted down the first time around, and then AMR management in typical fashion put one eagle against the other stating whoever agreed to the contract would get the jets and the others would basically diasappear. The flow through was no where in sight at that time. ALso, the contract is amendadable to a degree every our years. Not intended that way, but that contract has made eagle the highest paid 50 seat jet operator, it has guaranteed raises and mgmt doesnt dare open that section.

Eagle isnt so senior because of the contract, it has nothing to do with it.

It is funny ro see AA guys coming tho the rescue of TWA guys who not that long ago they would not of pis$ed on them if they were on fire/


Sad situation no matter how you look at it

 

[Cleared Direct]

So essentially, an Eagle flowthrough is a new hire in a recall class.

Still doesn't make it right. Spin it any way you want, AA pilots furloughed from AA (regardless of background) should be offered first dibs in a recall class.

It is not spin by me, and you know it. It is called an arbitration opinion and award. The reality is that it means nothing without a remedy.