AA's new B scale

[AceOnTheRiver]

ALPA could at any time get a single carrier ruling from the NMB, but ALPA doesn't want to upset APA and they also don't want to lose another 3K members.

 

[N60OSU]

I've seen several time in this thread the basic statement that flowback CAs lost their seats when L3/SW expired. Whether it is an intentional misrepresentation or not, it has been used by some as justification for the expiration of Eagle pilots' flowthrough rights.

When Letter 3 expired in May 08 FBs lost their protection from displacement by anyone other than a senior AA pilot. They still retained ther CA seats. They were only displaced to FO when Eagle ran a large displacement bid in July 08.

It's a subtle difference, and probably unimportant to those who are opposed to Eagle pilots flowing to AA, but there it is.

 

[Neubyfly]

I've seen several time in this thread the basic statement that flowback CAs lost their seats when L3/SW expired. Whether it is an intentional misrepresentation or not, it has been used by some as justification for the expiration of Eagle pilots' flowthrough rights.

When Letter 3 expired in May 08 FBs lost their protection from displacement by anyone other than a senior AA pilot. They still retained ther CA seats. They were only displaced to FO when Eagle ran a large displacement bid in July 08.

It's a subtle difference, and probably unimportant to those who are opposed to Eagle pilots flowing to AA, but there it is.

And, if, as nicolau has ruled, flowthoughs should have flowed begining in June 2007 then, the flowbacks would not have lost their seats since there would not have been a displacement.

 

[eglguy]

And, if, as nicolau has ruled, flowthoughs should have flowed begining in June 2007 then, the flowbacks would not have lost their seats since there would not have been a displacement.

Tru dat!

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

... and FO's would have upgraded too.

 

[N60OSU]

Any idea how many flowbacks are still on property? Last FB I flew with was NOV 08. I'm not sure where he ranked amongh the remaining FBs but at the time he expected to be recalled before completing long term on the Canadair. I haven't seen him in the crewroom...

 

[Neubyfly]

Any idea how many flowbacks are still on property? Last FB I flew with was NOV 08. I'm not sure where he ranked amongh the remaining FBs but at the time he expected to be recalled before completing long term on the Canadair. I haven't seen him in the crewroom...

25 give or take a couple.

 

[Flyby1206]

And, if, as nicolau has ruled, flowthoughs should have flowed begining in June 2007 then, the flowbacks would not have lost their seats since there would not have been a displacement.

Good point, the whole thing has turned into a huge FUBAR situation.

 

[Neubyfly]

Good point, the whole thing has turned into a huge FUBAR situation.

Unfortunately it has. And, unfortunately the FUBAR is far from over.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

They should have this all settled by the end of next week.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Eagle Pukes....this one will not stand.

 

[Neubyfly]

They should have this all settled by the end of next week.

Now that is funny!!!

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Now that is funny!!!

What is funny? Are you telling me you don't think they will come up with a settlement next week? I hope they do the double staple that has been talked about and create a master list and then convert the 70's to 90's and order another 100. If that doesn't happen then at worst they will come up with a TA 2.0. AA will probably start recalling this spring anyway so it's a mute point.

 

[Neubyfly]

What is funny? Are you telling me you don't think they will come up with a settlement next week? I hope they do the double staple that has been talked about and create a master list and then convert the 70's to 90's and order another 100. If that doesn't happen then at worst they will come up with a TA 2.0. AA will probably start recalling this spring anyway so it's a mute point.

They will not come up with a settlement next week or within the 90 day window.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

So you are thinking they will leave APA out of it and go with a three party settlement?

 

[Flyby1206]

They should have this all settled by the end of next week.

I have been hearing this in regards to the Letter3 situation since I have been at Eagle. It wont be solved next week, or next month, or even a few years from now.

It would be great if all 4 parties could be locked in a room and told to solve the problems and dont come out until they do. I honestly dont care what the ultimate outcome is, I would just prefer to see the issues settled and gone so we can all continue our regularly scheduled programming.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

I have been hearing this in regards to the Letter3 situation since I have been at Eagle. It wont be solved next week, or next month, or even a few years from now.

It would be great if all 4 parties could be locked in a room and told to solve the problems and dont come out until they do. I honestly dont care what the ultimate outcome is, I would just prefer to see the issues settled and gone so we can all continue our regularly scheduled programming.

I guess I will go with the prior history of the failed TA. That is why I believe it will be settled next week.

 

[Flyby1206]

I guess I will go with the prior history of the failed TA. That is why I believe it will be settled next week.

Or maybe we will have another failed TA next week

As I said before, I really wish something could be worked out to settle the issues of everyone once and for all, but thats just not how things operate at AMR, and nobody is in the mood to get together and sing kum-ba-ya around the campfire at HQ.

 

[Neubyfly]

So you are thinking they will leave APA out of it and go with a three party settlement?

They can't do a three party settlement. That's not the way it works. After 90 days it will go back to the arbiter. The arbiter will take many many months to reach a remedy. In the mean time... we all wait.

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

They can't do a three party settlement. That's not the way it works. After 90 days it will go back to the arbiter. The arbiter will take many many months to reach a remedy. In the mean time... we all wait.

If APA is the only one not to sign off on a new TA and they were the ones to kill the last TA, then I would expect the three parties to submit the TA to the arbitrator for him to sign off on. This will be settled soon since APA has a very weak position.