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If I haven't started training, then I am an airtran CA, and should be paid as a CA. The swa badge means nothing.
Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.
 
madjack said:
Uh no, u r a SWA FO until u go thru SWA upgrade...
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Are you actually a 13 year old girl, or do you just type like one?
 
DCitrus9 said:
Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.
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To be fair, SWAPA hasn't said anything yet. Just a few dooshbags on FI. Now if SWAPA does actually refuse to fight that, then I'd say it would be a pretty good reason to lawyer up. That would be a pretty large legal class losing thousands of dollars each.
 
twepilot said:
If I haven't been awarded an FO downgrade class then I'm still a capt. PERIOD! The day the award becomes effective then that may be open for debate. The common sense solution in my opinion would be the day you start class as an FO then you would snap back to those rates. I hope our union and swapa are positioning themselves as united on this.

RV
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SW badge provided 12/28. You'll be 'awarded' SW FO on Jan 1st, with a training TBD.

Problem solved.
 
DCitrus9 said:
If I haven't started training, then I am an airtran CA, and should be paid as a CA. The swa badge means nothing.
Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.
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I think you need to face the unpleasant reality that swapa is a very weak union and has minuscule power in not only your destiny, but any pilot's. You give them WAY too much credit. SWA will do what it wants no matter what swapa or AT ALPA say.
 
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Honestly, SWAPA needs to fight for the highest pay rate and best interpretation for ALL our members. On 12/28/14 we are all SWAPA members and it is the unions duty to fight for the highest pay rate they are able to negotiate for all members awaiting training. Nothing else is acceptable.
 
here's a question...Are the AirTran FO's who wait as long as possible to go over, say after Jan 1st, going to be paid at AirTran rates or swa rates?

RV
 
redflyer65 said:
SW badge provided 12/28. You'll be 'awarded' SW FO on Jan 1st, with a training TBD.

Problem solved.
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I can't be awarded something that I haven't bid for or won't bid for...If my airplane flies off into the sunset or is used by DL as a money making tool, then I am considered displaced.
RV
 
Daddy said:
I think you need to face the unpleasant reality that swapa is a very weak union and has minuscule power in not only your destiny, but any pilot's. You give them WAY too much credit. SWA will do what it wants no matter what swapa or AT ALPA say.
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Yup.....

I'm amazed that more folks can't or won't accept this reality.
 
twepilot said:
I can't be awarded something that I haven't bid for or won't bid for...If my airplane flies off into the sunset or is used by DL as a money making tool, then I am considered displaced.
RV
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Sure you can. There have been times that I forgot to bid and I got a crappy line that I did not bid for. I have also received vacation weeks that I did not bid for. If SWA creates January 15 vacancy that includes XXX 737 TBD FO slots, then you will be an FO. I am not saying that I agree with this, but if I was in your shoes I would work out a budget using SWA FO rates through April '15. I would budget on 85 TFP/mo and use the rate that equates to your longevity. If a miracle happens and you get capt pay...great, but I would not plan on it.
 
FlyinGuy said:
Sure you can. There have been times that I forgot to bid and I got a crappy line that I did not bid for. I have also received vacation weeks that I did not bid for. If SWA creates January 15 vacancy that includes XXX 737 TBD FO slots, then you will be an FO. I am not saying that I agree with this, but if I was in your shoes I would work out a budget using SWA FO rates through April '15. I would budget on 85 TFP/mo and use the rate that equates to your longevity. If a miracle happens and you get capt pay...great, but I would not plan on it.
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I see the other points on this issue. It just seems to me to be the right thing to do.

Rv
 
So, then, when I upgrade again, I will start being paid CA rates as soon as I am awarded the upgrade even though my class may not actually start for another month?
 
So let me get this straight. You are a junior captain at AAI and bitching you deserve SWA captain pay to stay at home while a SWA F.O. senior to you gets paid SWA F.O. pay? It sounds like someone is complaining that the gold bar they were given is too heavy.
 
most, if not all, FO's are getting a sizable pay raise when they either transition or upon the the end of AirTran. Most, if not all capts are suffering a loss in pay of variable amounts. There are numerous other threads relating to that subject..Search for yourself. Gold has recently plummeted in value:)

RV
 
Yeah, they're getting kicked out of their captain seats, but they're being handed a "gold bar." :rolleyes: Go f%^& yourself.
 
Versus AirTran rates of 151/hr for Captains and 79/hr for First Officers. Topped out of course.

Gold, Platinum whatever..
 
redflyer65 said:
Versus AirTran rates of 151/hr for Captains and 79/hr for First Officers. Topped out of course.

Gold, Platinum whatever..
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You can keep pretending that a 2001 contract is relevant, but everyone who doesn't have sh!t for brains knows better.
 
Taking a pay cut sucks, especially if u have the global seniority to hold SWA CP after 1/15...but it looks like the company will transition all AAI pilots b4 1/15 and pay them as SWA FOs...
 
The difference of opinion here seems to stem from the fact that, under the AAI contract, a CA who is being downgraded is paid CA rates throughout FO training. Once he takes his checkride and LOFT (ie completes training), he goes to FO rates.

I know . . . . I know . . . . SWA Contract is SO much better . . . . it was worth losing 3.5 years of seniority for. And the flexible schedules, where you can drop trips back to the Company . . . . . oh, wait, no, that was the AAI contract, too.

What did we give up our seniority for, again? For the privilege of keeping MJ and Red out of the dirt, off the nosewheel, and on the pavement . . . the RIGHT pavement? Wow, I can hardly wait.

Oh, btw thanks for continually bringing up the "new" pay rates . . . in other words, the pay rates we turned down five years ago. We never, ever, ever could have gotten them forced back on us, without your help, Red, MadJerk and Vixin . . . . :rolleyes:

Which one of you stooges is Moe, anyway? :laugh:
 
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PCL_128 said:
You can keep pretending that a 2001 contract is relevant, but everyone who doesn't have sh!t for brains knows better.
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Weren't those the payrates Sept 2010 when Southwest decided to step in and buy you?

I don't care if it was your 2001 rates or 1956 rates, I believe that's what your paychecks reflected, right?

Are your facts different that what the paychecks stated?
 

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