AAI to SWA Training Schedule

[HowardBorden]

All the manuals say Airtran/Southwest I believe? 2 day training event in Dallas and ID# and I believe you can go right back to flying 717 with SWA 717 Cpt and 717 FO. NO?

I don't think that is a correct interpretation.

"The transition of these aircraft to Delta started in July 2013, and will continue through January 2015. At which time, any remaining aircraft are planned to be removed from revenue service until they are transitioned to Delta. Therefore, the B-717s will never be used in Southwest Airlines operations outside of the AirTran partition."

"Since the B717 will never be reconfigured, repainted, and eligible to be moved from the AirTran partition, we request this exemption be extended until February 1, 2015 when all of the B717 will have transitioned over to Delta Airlines."


http://www.regulations.gov/contentS...3e2c28&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf

 

[scoreboardII]

All the manuals say Airtran/Southwest I believe? 2 day training event in Dallas and ID# and I believe you can go right back to flying 717 with SWA 717 Cpt and 717 FO. NO?

While your premise is correct, the FAA requires a training and safety plan. Lots of documentation and manpower overhead to staff a training and safety center for how many months, three, four? Since the company opted to NOT gain those through the FAA, the certificate for the 717's drops dead 1 Jan 2015.

 

[scoreboardII]

What a genius plan. I mean thest guys are brilliant!! Over pay for an airline, piss everyone off during the SLI process, let the wheels fall off your product while you chase a imagined 15% ROIC, pay your competitor to take 2/3rds of your assets that you over paid for, delay getting your assets combined where you have to pay 300-500 employees to sit at home....whew....there is a bunch of dudes that know how to manage people, money, and run an airline!!!

Yet through all this manage to pull a 13% ROIC and double it's stock price.

Hard to argue with success. And no, I do not consider being last place a success, that will come back to bite the ROIC.

 

[Daddy]

There will be a deal. Anyone SWA pilot here knows that the company always gets what they want. Most here will be amazed at what little SWAPA gets in exchange. Plan for small increases in retirement and pay as well as miniscule reserve improvements. There will not be "retro pay" but there will be a small "signing bonus". If you're a tranny 717 guy, I'd plan on some of you flying those planes into the spring. I don't see anyone getting paid to sit at home and do nothing. I see no furloughs. I see no senior SWA FO's getting bypass pay. This is how it goes down here....I REALLY don't see it changing much at all. Incremental changes and temporary allowances.

Don't worry about furlough. Ain't gonna happen. Don't worry about getting any huge pay/retirement increases either. Expect a deal...a somewhat disappointing one...but something everyone can live with.

 

[tankerhead]

What's the scope of the desired reserve improvements?

 

[slaquer5]

What's the scope of the desired reserve improvements?

For one , get paid per day . If you fly or to. Not over the whole month


Second. A better pass /. fly


Third. Be able to trade reserve days



There is more on the wish list.

 

[FlyinGuy]

There will be full retro and the 717 stops flying on Dec 31st.

 

[freightdogfred]

There will be full retro and the 717 stops flying on Dec 31st.

Sure there will. SWAPA will put GK in a full nelson and he will shout uncle.

not

 

[Tripower455]

There will be a deal. Anyone SWA pilot here knows that the company always gets what they want. Most here will be amazed at what little SWAPA gets in exchange. Plan for small increases in retirement and pay as well as miniscule reserve improvements. There will not be "retro pay" but there will be a small "signing bonus". If you're a tranny 717 guy, I'd plan on some of you flying those planes into the spring. I don't see anyone getting paid to sit at home and do nothing. I see no furloughs. I see no senior SWA FO's getting bypass pay. This is how it goes down here....I REALLY don't see it changing much at all. Incremental changes and temporary allowances.

Don't worry about furlough. Ain't gonna happen. Don't worry about getting any huge pay/retirement increases either. Expect a deal...a somewhat disappointing one...but something everyone can live with.

Hammer, meet nail.....

This is EXACTLY what's gonna happen.

 

[scoreboardII]

Disagree, unless you know the FAA is somehow secretly authorizing SWA to fly 717's with NO training plan.

No training plan, no training center for 717, no 717 flights, period.

717 is dead to SWA Dec 31, 2014.

Now, end game they may jump through hoops, but the expense outweighs the returns.

 

[Tripower455]

Disagree, unless you know the FAA is somehow secretly authorizing SWA to fly 717's with NO training plan.

No training plan, no training center for 717, no 717 flights, period.

717 is dead to SWA Dec 31, 2014.

Now, end game they may jump through hoops, but the expense outweighs the returns.

I hope you're right and SWApA doesn't pull some kind of legal transition deferral out of their hat, allowing SW to operate Air Tran separately after 1/1/15. I'd be more surprised if they didn't do that.

 

[dicko]

28 per class, 112 per month, looks like 400ish get trained, leaving about 500 Jan 1, 2015. At 112 a month, it will take them through May 2015 to get everyone trained.

But they didn't see this coming, right.......

Enjoy your company paid vacation guys. SWAPA is not signing anything outside section six, the company brought this on themselves, they can dig themselves out, they want flattish, we can give them flattish.

The company paid vacation will be on SWA FO rates. That's a pay cut. Still not bad for doing nothing, but less money every month.

 

[vixin]

72 hrs X $151 = $10,872

90 TFP X $132.84= $11,955

 

[27 driver]

72 hrs X $151 = $10,872

90 TFP X $132.84= $11,955

Except most of the captains left will be north of $180 per hour.

75 hrs X $180 + $13,500
90 TFP X $132.84 = $11955

figures lie and liars figure

 

[dicko]

Except most of the captains left will be north of $180 per hour.

75 hrs X $180 + $13,500
90 TFP X $132.84 = $11955

figures lie and liars figure

She's not all that bright. It must be a burden.

 

[vixin]

Who's not the bright one? The only thing I was wrong about was the 72 instead of 75.

75 X 151= $11,325
90 x 132.84= $11,955

Better? That's right before the purchase AAI pilots where going to get an industry leading contract. HAHAHAHA!!! Think that's been proven at least 1000 times that wasn't going to happen. What a bunch of little cry babies some of you AAI guys are, pathetic!

 

[27 driver]

Who's not the bright one? The only thing I was wrong about was the 72 instead of 75.

75 X 151= $11,325
90 x 132.84= $11,955

Better? That's right before the purchase AAI pilots where going to get an industry leading contract. HAHAHAHA!!! Think that's been proven at least 1000 times that wasn't going to happen. What a bunch of little cry babies some of you AAI guys are, pathetic!

You are full of ********************. What they are making now compared to what they will be making is a pay cut. You want to compare rates that don't exist anymore. If that makes you feel better then fine. It's just not reality.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Wi the sitters be paid line guarantee or line average?

 

[Ty Webb]

Who's not the bright one? The only thing I was wrong about was the 72 instead of 75.

75 X 151= $11,325
90 x 132.84= $11,955

Better? That's right before the purchase AAI pilots where going to get an industry leading contract. HAHAHAHA!!! Think that's been proven at least 1000 times that wasn't going to happen. What a bunch of little cry babies some of you AAI guys are, pathetic!

You are living in the past, brutha.

PS., We turned those pay rates down over a year before the merger announcement. . . . but if it makes you feel better about your career path, feel free to spin it any way you like, just save it for the folks that don't know better, like maybe the cleaners or hotel van drivers.

 

[madjack]

I think u r blowing smoke if u think the last AAI raise wasn't because of the SWA purchase...but whatever...it's over