AAI to SWA Training Schedule

[islandhoper]

Here are the numbers according to FP: 28th DEC 2014, we'll still have 27 717's and 6 737s that will be grounded. Estimated crews 380 left. A bid for the months of JAN through April will come out in October. Guarantee pay at SW rates, but not decided yet if it will be Capt's pay for the captains... IN those first 4 months, 150+ or more captain vacancies expected that would go mostly to AT guys.
I guess the end of AirTran will go senior after all...

 

[scoreboardII]

Vacancy rebid? Can you enlighten on that?

My crazy reading skills let me down, no system rebid, just as mentioned, from Jan 1, you hold what you can bid, so no bumps. Except....

 

[scoreboardII]

Here are the numbers according to FP: 28th DEC 2014, we'll still have 27 717's and 6 737s that will be grounded. Estimated crews 380 left. A bid for the months of JAN through April will come out in October. Guarantee pay at SW rates, but not decided yet if it will be Capt's pay for the captains... IN those first 4 months, 150+ or more captain vacancies expected that would go mostly to AT guys.
I guess the end of AirTran will go senior after all...

Word on this side is CM is stacking the upgrades to prevent any CA upgrades till mid summer 2015.

One problem:

Lance.

From the contract, Lance is awarded based on domicile seniority. If you fall within the 3.2% IN DOMICILE, you may elect to bid Lance. I think a senior FO can bump a more junior FO out of Lance come 2015.

Based on projected flying, operational requirements and aircraft deliveries, the Company will upgrade First Officers to Captain within specific domiciles in accordance with domicile seniority.

Percentage System: Each month the Company will designate three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) of the total First Officers in each domicile as LCs.

If meeting the required percentage requires designation of a pilot who is not captain qualified, the Company will have two (2) months from the date the final vacancy result is posted to qualify the designated pilot as Captain. If the Upgrade Training is not scheduled to be completed within two (2) months, all events will be paid at Captain?s rate until the pilot is upgraded, trained, or falls out of the three and two-tenths percent (3.2%).

I read the last paragraph as, if you fall within the 3.2, the company has two months to train you or pay you till they train you.

Your welcome.

 

[Citrusflyer]

Wait a sec....

Are you saying that me just typing this in FI isn't good enough for you?

Bubba

FI only counts if it's PCL ... right?

Don't think the company implied that there will be one. I think what they meant was that on 1 Jan 2015, global seniority rules, and anyone who's senior enough can bid a Captain seat when there's vacancies, despite not having been through training yet. Although, I have no idea if any really senior FAT guys will still be on that side of the partition or not, that that particular situation may apply to.

Bubba

Just got the memo on our side. I see what you are talking about, but have to say .... no more ambiguous has ever been made. It can be read many different ways. Can anyone explain the third paragraph?

 

[freightdogfred]

Here are the numbers according to FP: 28th DEC 2014, we'll still have 27 717's and 6 737s that will be grounded. Estimated crews 380 left. A bid for the months of JAN through April will come out in October. Guarantee pay at SW rates, but not decided yet if it will be Capt's pay for the captains... IN those first 4 months, 150+ or more captain vacancies expected that would go mostly to AT guys.
I guess the end of AirTran will go senior after all...

Hmmm... why would it not be Capt's pay for Captains? The deal was SWA pay on the first of Jan-2015. If I have not transitioned, I'm still a Captain.

 

[freightdogfred]

Got any beard-growing advice?

:laugh:

Check out the last page of that glossy ALPA rag, ya know the one ya pay 300$ a month for? There's prob a 1-800 # down in Hearndon just for this.
It's prob for moustaches, but they might throw in some beard tips for a nominal fee.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Hmmm... why would it not be Capt's pay for Captains? The deal was SWA pay on the first of Jan-2015. If I have not transitioned, I'm still a Captain.

Look in eDocs on FLICA. The new memo says all ATN pilots will be badged SWA pilots under SWAPA CBA prior to January 1, 2015.

 

[freightdogfred]

Look in eDocs on FLICA. The new memo says all ATN pilots will be badged SWA pilots under SWAPA CBA prior to January 1, 2015.

Ok, so I have a SWA badge. Am I not a Captain until I go thru transition training?

 

[FIREMAN]

Hmmm... why would it not be Capt's pay for Captains? The deal was SWA pay on the first of Jan-2015. If I have not transitioned, I'm still a Captain.

And what part of the "deal" have they honored so far?

 

[FlyinGuy]

If you are a Capt, then I think you should get SWA Capt rates until you go through training. Somehow, I bet they will create a vacancy for all the left over trannies to an F/O position. We shall see.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Ok, so I have a SWA badge. Am I not a Captain until I go thru transition training?

No. You are all SWA F/O's as of December 29, 2014. If your global seniority can hold Captain at SWA after January 1, 2015, then you can bid and be awarded Captain IF there are any Captain VACANCIES (key word). The soonest that you could go to training as a Captain would be March 2015, and therefore you would not be eligible for Captain pay before that date.

 

[humveedriver]

No. You are all SWA F/O's as of December 29, 2014. If your global seniority can hold Captain at SWA after January 1, 2015, then you can bid and be awarded Captain IF there are any Captain VACANCIES (key word). The soonest that you could go to training as a Captain would be March 2015, and therefore you would not be eligible for Captain pay before that date.

This makes the most sense to me and it explains the choice in dates.

 

[twepilot]

If I haven't been awarded an FO downgrade class then I'm still a capt. PERIOD! The day the award becomes effective then that may be open for debate. The common sense solution in my opinion would be the day you start class as an FO then you would snap back to those rates. I hope our union and swapa are positioning themselves as united on this.

RV

 

[madjack]

Uh no, u r a SWA FO until u go thru SWA upgrade...

 

[shagadelic]

Per the side letter, you can't be a captain on the SWA side until Jan 1st. As soon as you get your SWA ID you are on the SWA seniority list.. If can't be a captain then you must be an FO. My guess is that is exactly how it will go down. The 3-4 months off will be nice though. ;-)