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Who cares what "you" did! You still have to live with what your group did, just like we do. I know you are not thrilled with what happened and I am sure I would feel the same way if I was in your shoes. Don't forget that you would be pissed if you were on our side. I guess that's why mergers/acquisitions suck. The best we can do is move forward and make our careers/contract the best we can because we each have a limited number of days to make the most we can for our families. That is where the common ground will be. We all have to move forward because I will bet GK's buying days are not over and we better have a stronger union next time because that fight will be more difficult. So kiss off!! And welcome aboard...:)
 
Ty Webb said:
Sorry, Man, but you don't insult me, threaten me, steal from me, lie to me and then ask me for my help. I traded 3.5 years of seniority and my seat for this great contract and pay rates, I should be satisfied, right?

SWAPA and this pilot group have a LONG way to go if they expect to get any solidarity out of many of us.
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You got a good deal because air tran was a good company

Grow up dude you miserable wreck- :)

You're an airline pilot- M&A's happen and everybody's fighting for what they can-

Babies hold onto grudges

At my seniority AT pilots lost less than 3 years- it took me 4 years to get in at SWA from the date I turned down air tran to stay at my regional-

There were a dozen of us at that air inc conference- we got interview offers without applying or showing any interest in the job- it's the way the market was- and if I didn't have business interests out west I'd have taken it-

And I would've been ahead if I had taken the job vs now- luck and timing are never not part of life

Get over it- it's really not a competition-
It's flat out impossible to be fair to everyone in this deal and that's all we have
 
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PCL_128 said:
The rates on the day of purchase, where(sic).....irrelevant.
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You know that's not true at all, but go on keeping on with that same tired line

Pilots make life choices and give up seniority ALL THE TIME for a pay rate
Change companies, change aircraft, upgrade- only an idiot thinks money isn't the primary driver for adult career decisions. It's a career. It's work. Flying isn't a hobby for me. It's what I do for money.

Stupidest argument ever
 
Cry Webb, "your" seat went to DL...unlike u I earned my place at SWA, and every raise you ever got or will get is because SWA bought you, get over you bitter a-hole....and once more genius you could have kept "your" seat in SL9, and with the SWA pay rates...
 
Ty Webb said:
That's like asking why you guys voted for it. Dumb question. Dumber still, if you think that I voted for it. :rolleyes:
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That's just it Ty, you disassociate yourself from having any culpability in what transpired then in the next breath say we (SWAPA pilots) are ultimately to blame for: stealing your seat, your seniority and your QOL. How is it, you the individual pilot is blameless , but we individuals perpetrated all this on you. Can you see the disconnect?
 
PCL_128 said:
Yeah, they're getting kicked out of their captain seats, but they're being handed a "gold bar." :rolleyes: Go f%^& yourself.
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This from the guy who helped make sure those captain seats got pissed away when SWA and SWAPA were telling you they were available to hold onto until 2020 and according to ALPA would have held those slots even with the 717 sublease. That's your "own it" moment. Way to go. I'd quit too.

My $2 says those FAT guys who are sitting at home in 2015 will be collecting SWA FO pay. From what I hear, people who have crossed over get their badge on Day 1, and their position is "DAL FO". So, come 12/28 you'll be classified as a SWA FO.
 
Mk3tm said:
This from the guy who helped make sure those captain seats got pissed away when SWA and SWAPA were telling you they were available to hold onto until 2020 and according to ALPA would have held those slots even with the 717 sublease. That's your "own it" moment. Way to go. I'd quit too.
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If you had listened to me, no one would have lost a seat, and you probably wouldn't have lost more than 5-10% relative seniority. But you were too much of a coward to fight for what was yours, so "own it" yourself.
 
PCL_128 said:
The rates on the day of purchase, where(sic).....irrelevant.
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From the guy where the company was paying SW FO rates to their Captains and regional pay rates to the AirTran FO's.

I'm sure you'd like it to be irrelevant, but it isn't. It's very relevant. Pay, QOL and work rules are what each carrier brings to the table.
 
We DID listen to you. When an ALPA executive vice president is the communications chairman, lots of people listen. After the status reps voted for it unanimously, ALPA told us to take this deal or you're likely to just wither away.

The people you're always calling "cowards" had a choice to make for their families, and it was a crappiest one thanks to you and your ALPA pals. You waited til you had let the best deal slip away.

I also remember while you were peddling your "don't worry, you'll get relative" nonsense, you were pretty vocal about how you didn't care cuz you'd just quit and go to DAL or UAL. When you're single and under 30, maybe that's a choice for you. A helluvalot of people didn't have that luxury.
 
Yeah, just keep it up spreading lies and shirking responsibility for the results of your own cowardice. Whatever makes you feel better.
 
madjack said:
Cry Webb, "your" seat went to DL...unlike u I earned my place at SWA, and every raise you ever got or will get is because SWA bought you, get over you bitter a-hole....and once more genius you could have kept "your" seat in SL9, and with the SWA pay rates...
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Hey window licker, some of us never wanted a place at SWA and are now forced to accept it because we've got too much time invested that it makes more sense to stay than start over. BTW, every bankruptcy (and every lower pay scale prior) since 911 is a result of WN and the current situation we find ourselves in is a result of SWAPA. No thanks to you. Keep doing it cheaper and mgmt. will expect it. Time to pay the piper, please prove me wrong.

BTW, fewer and fewer believe anything in SL1 would have come to pass. There are more no voters now than actually voted on SL2. All the fo's I fly with say they voted no, it's not worth arguing about now except "I told you so".
 
Haven't lied at all, son. Don't need to. Calling AT pilots cowards seems to make you feel better. Now that's rich.
 
If you aren't in DAL by 12/31 and badged, you will be paid your current SWAPA position until you are crossed over, oh and yeah you can bid capt too.

Have a feeling Cpt is going to go Junior. Cause you going to be RESERVE for a long long time. Why Reserve needs to changing in the contract...dropping, trading, bucket list,
 
Ty Webb said:
Too funny!

If I can wander the earth in my underwear and new weird beard, I'm in! I can tell stories about "back on the -9" to girls stomping grapes, or shout it from a bullhorn while weaving a Vespa through Rome traffic, or on my way to Dusseldorf, to have ice cream with GL.

:laugh:
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I would make sure you have the best dish of ice cream EVER on a 767-300ER. You do get a choice of toppings: strawberry sauce, chocolate, caramel, whip cream, and chopped nuts. So darn FANTASTIC! (Especially on the tracks). ;)


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Ummm

Anyone else find that exchange just a bit too ...romantic
 
Luv2BFlyin said:
Hey window licker, some of us never wanted a place at SWA and are now forced to accept it because we've got too much time invested that it makes more sense to stay than start over.
dude, you have your choices. That's all we f^cking have in life- I'd never throw out some "Own it" corporate speak but don't expect to not get called out if you do t own your own personal choices man. More baby sh/t. BTW, every bankruptcy (and every lower pay scale prior) since 911 is a result of WN and the current situation we find ourselves in is a result of SWAPA. No thanks to you. can you PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS ONE? Coming from an AirTran guy, it seems pretty rich but I'll let you dig your hole Keep doing it cheaper and mgmt. will expect it. Time to pay the piper, please prove me wrong.

BTW, fewer and fewer believe anything in SL1 would have come to pass. There are more no voters now than actually voted on SL2. All the fo's I fly with say they voted no, it's not worth arguing about now except "I told you so".
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Maybe they're a no voter to you bc of the tone you set
 
General Lee said:
I would make sure you have the best dish of ice cream EVER on a 767-300ER. You do get a choice of toppings: strawberry sauce, chocolate, caramel, whip cream, and chopped nuts. So darn FANTASTIC! (Especially on the tracks). ;)


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Ummmmm, that's not whip cream your favorite FA, Sergio is serving you (as he winks at you).
 
For every FAT pilot that complains about the lies from management, loss of seniority, loss of Captain seat, loss of pay, loss of QOL, loss of base, lies from the MEC/LEC/MC (your fellow pilots) and the arrogance of RSW pilots.....

you have the same on the other side.

RSW pilots complaining that they did not "get" anything out of the deal. They had to pay for their type. They interviewed and hired for the job, not aquired. Management lied to them. SWAPA lied to them. FAT pilots get a pay raise. Pilots hired in 2011 are pissed because they were in a pool for three years and were not badged as SWA employees immediately after notification that they were in a pool. They are pissed because the FAT pilots will sit waiting for a class date in 2015 while getting guarantee.
FAT pilots should be happy they have a job and think that the FAT pilots are arrogant.
Airtran was a failing company that the pilot group was willing to strike to achieve their goals.

The irony of the entire situation is that the RSW pilots that I have flown with have been upset with the management team for quite a while. (well before Aitran deal) and that gk is out of touch. They used to do 15 minute turns and co workers gave a shiite. Herb lead the way and gk is lead by his belly button. They want to stand up a strike committee to demonstrate to the company of their resolve. They are tired of the pace of negotiations. Captains authority is diminished and the operations agents run everything...... pilots are nothing special and easily replaced.

SAME AS IT EVER WAS. Different names and faces but same style. Welcome to the circus..... nothing special.

PS: USA hockey not very exciting with the shut out in Sochi.... maybe the pros are more concerned with preserving their pro career..... 5-0 Finland wins.
 
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waveflyer said:
Ummm

Anyone else find that exchange just a bit too ...romantic
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Only you and Jonny Juan. Maybe you guys should explore your dreams together with whip cream...


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Arrogant Fat boy ex-EVP calling his fellow union bros cowards (yeah the same pilots who paid for his union gig) is a new circus act...
 
"Feel free to tell me what I got out of the deal JT.
Hint - I didn't get a 40% pay raise.".......

Exactly my point..... RSW pilots complaining that they did not get anything out of the deal.....
 
RedFlyer65....I thought you guys all got a pretty decent system seniority bump? I have heard an average of around 10% some higher, some lower. Over the long haul that translates into a quicker upgrade for you...which really is more money...but that happens later down the road when you upgrade.

I lost 32% relative systemwide and my left seat and am hoping to stay close to what I was making before. If I lose some money now I should be able to make it up and earn more later as a captain again someday.

This way of looking at it is only true if we actually upgrade and can take advantage of the left seat pay. Many things could get in the way of that...if you hit 65 first...health problems....those payrates still in effect....etc. So I would look at it that way. You don't see benefits immediately...rather later on.
 
A very small slice of the SWA seniority list got about a 10% bump in global seniority on the combined list. Most got a far smaller bump in global seniority. The bottom 50% of the FO list actually had upgrade slowed due to the average age of AT pilots. Some will never upgrade.
 

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