AAI to SWA Training Schedule

[freightdogfred]

Got any beard-growing advice?

:laugh:

Check out the last page of that glossy ALPA rag, ya know the one ya pay 300$ a month for? There's prob a 1-800 # down in Hearndon just for this.
It's prob for moustaches, but they might throw in some beard tips for a nominal fee.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Hmmm... why would it not be Capt's pay for Captains? The deal was SWA pay on the first of Jan-2015. If I have not transitioned, I'm still a Captain.

Look in eDocs on FLICA. The new memo says all ATN pilots will be badged SWA pilots under SWAPA CBA prior to January 1, 2015.

 

[freightdogfred]

Look in eDocs on FLICA. The new memo says all ATN pilots will be badged SWA pilots under SWAPA CBA prior to January 1, 2015.

Ok, so I have a SWA badge. Am I not a Captain until I go thru transition training?

 

[FIREMAN]

Hmmm... why would it not be Capt's pay for Captains? The deal was SWA pay on the first of Jan-2015. If I have not transitioned, I'm still a Captain.

And what part of the "deal" have they honored so far?

 

[FlyinGuy]

If you are a Capt, then I think you should get SWA Capt rates until you go through training. Somehow, I bet they will create a vacancy for all the left over trannies to an F/O position. We shall see.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Ok, so I have a SWA badge. Am I not a Captain until I go thru transition training?

No. You are all SWA F/O's as of December 29, 2014. If your global seniority can hold Captain at SWA after January 1, 2015, then you can bid and be awarded Captain IF there are any Captain VACANCIES (key word). The soonest that you could go to training as a Captain would be March 2015, and therefore you would not be eligible for Captain pay before that date.

 

[humveedriver]

No. You are all SWA F/O's as of December 29, 2014. If your global seniority can hold Captain at SWA after January 1, 2015, then you can bid and be awarded Captain IF there are any Captain VACANCIES (key word). The soonest that you could go to training as a Captain would be March 2015, and therefore you would not be eligible for Captain pay before that date.

This makes the most sense to me and it explains the choice in dates.

 

[twepilot]

If I haven't been awarded an FO downgrade class then I'm still a capt. PERIOD! The day the award becomes effective then that may be open for debate. The common sense solution in my opinion would be the day you start class as an FO then you would snap back to those rates. I hope our union and swapa are positioning themselves as united on this.

RV

 

[madjack]

Uh no, u r a SWA FO until u go thru SWA upgrade...

 

[shagadelic]

Per the side letter, you can't be a captain on the SWA side until Jan 1st. As soon as you get your SWA ID you are on the SWA seniority list.. If can't be a captain then you must be an FO. My guess is that is exactly how it will go down. The 3-4 months off will be nice though. ;-)

 

[DCitrus9]

If I haven't started training, then I am an airtran CA, and should be paid as a CA. The swa badge means nothing.
Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.

 

[PCL_128]

Uh no, u r a SWA FO until u go thru SWA upgrade...

Are you actually a 13 year old girl, or do you just type like one?

 

[PCL_128]

Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.

To be fair, SWAPA hasn't said anything yet. Just a few dooshbags on FI. Now if SWAPA does actually refuse to fight that, then I'd say it would be a pretty good reason to lawyer up. That would be a pretty large legal class losing thousands of dollars each.

 

[redflyer65]

If I haven't been awarded an FO downgrade class then I'm still a capt. PERIOD! The day the award becomes effective then that may be open for debate. The common sense solution in my opinion would be the day you start class as an FO then you would snap back to those rates. I hope our union and swapa are positioning themselves as united on this.

RV

SW badge provided 12/28. You'll be 'awarded' SW FO on Jan 1st, with a training TBD.

Problem solved.

 

[Daddy]

If I haven't started training, then I am an airtran CA, and should be paid as a CA. The swa badge means nothing.
Typical swapa; screw airtran guys again while pay protecting the swa fo who doesn't deserve the CA rate.

I think you need to face the unpleasant reality that swapa is a very weak union and has minuscule power in not only your destiny, but any pilot's. You give them WAY too much credit. SWA will do what it wants no matter what swapa or AT ALPA say.

 

[HowardBorden]

Honestly, SWAPA needs to fight for the highest pay rate and best interpretation for ALL our members. On 12/28/14 we are all SWAPA members and it is the unions duty to fight for the highest pay rate they are able to negotiate for all members awaiting training. Nothing else is acceptable.

 

[twepilot]

I wish I could have said it in that manner Howard. Spot on.

RV

 

[twepilot]

here's a question...Are the AirTran FO's who wait as long as possible to go over, say after Jan 1st, going to be paid at AirTran rates or swa rates?

RV

 

[redflyer65]

SW rates because there will be no AirTran contract at the point.

 

[twepilot]

SW badge provided 12/28. You'll be 'awarded' SW FO on Jan 1st, with a training TBD.

Problem solved.

I can't be awarded something that I haven't bid for or won't bid for...If my airplane flies off into the sunset or is used by DL as a money making tool, then I am considered displaced.
RV