AAI to SWA Training Schedule

[jimcav]

The difference of opinion here seems to stem from the fact that, under the AAI contract, a CA who is being downgraded is paid CA rates throughout FO training. Once he takes his checkride and LOFT (ie completes training), he goes to FO rates.

I know . . . . I know . . . . SWA Contract is SO much better . . . . it was worth losing 3.5 years of seniority for. And the flexible schedules, where you can drop trips back to the Company . . . . . oh, wait, no, that was the AAI contract, too.

What did we give up our seniority for, again? For the privilege of keeping MJ and Red out of the dirt, off the nosewheel, and on the pavement . . . the RIGHT pavement? Wow, I can hardly wait.

Oh, btw thanks for continually bringing up the "new" pay rates . . . in other words, the pay rates we turned down five years ago. We never, ever, ever could have gotten them forced back on us, without your help, Red, MadJerk and Vixin . . . .

Which one of you stooges is Moe, anyway? :laugh:

Lost on these guys is the 98% strike vote and the fact that we would have shut the place down just like Spirit did in June 2010...We were next!

 

[madjack]

East Ty, we're not the ones who decided to buy ur airline...

 

[madjack]

And don't get pissy when u had everything u r bitching about in SL9. Oh but the mbrship was too stupid to get a vote... Looks like u were the stupid one... Oh and try and learn how to fly the 73...tired of baby sitting AAI FOs

 

[Nindiri]

In light of recent events, it's probably not a good idea for madjack to be lecturing any other pilots on operating the 73.

 

[Ty Webb]

And don't get pissy when u had everything u r bitching about in SL9. Oh but the mbrship was too stupid to get a vote... Looks like u were the stupid one... Oh and try and learn how to fly the 73...tired of baby sitting AAI FOs

Too funny.

Keep clenching that tiller and telling that to yourself. If they are 737 Guys, you should probably be listening to them. If they are 717 guys, I'll bet they are adapting at a much faster rate then you did. . . .

:laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Weren't those the payrates Sept 2010 when Southwest decided to step in and buy you?

I don't care if it was your 2001 rates or 1956 rates, I believe that's what your paychecks reflected, right?

Are your facts different that what the paychecks stated?

Hey, Red . . . Want to compare 2001 pay rates again? Or did you already forget your stellar 2001 pay rates make ours look pretty good!

I can post 'em again, if you want to go down that road again.

:laugh:

 

[madjack]

Better to focus on the positives. U have a great job at a solid company....I think the AAI CPs that have global seniorty to hold SWA CP post 1/15 should keep their AAI pay rates until SWA upgrade...

 

[redflyer65]

Hey, Red . . . Want to compare 2001 pay rates again? Or did you already forget your stellar 2001 pay rates make ours look pretty good!

I can post 'em again, if you want to go down that road again.

:laugh:

Yea, similar to the Stock Options you guys were awarded in 2001 as well...oh wait, maybe I got that backwards.

Can't compare Sept 2010 payrates at Airtran? Then apply smoke and mirrors immediately.

So which pay rate should you use on the AAI side? The new one from Jan 2011 after SW purchased you guys? Seems a little disingenuous doesn't it?

The rates on the day of purchase, where.....the rates.

 

[PCL_128]

The rates on the day of purchase, where(sic).....irrelevant.

 

[madjack]

It's all irrelevant. As was AAI seniority or all our seniority when age 65 changed...what matters is pay and QOL and as the acquired carrier AAI took a hit...no one should have to take a paycut

 

[humveedriver]

Lost on these guys is the 98% strike vote and the fact that we would have shut the place down just like Spirit did in June 2010...We were next!

Be prepared to be very underwhelmed by SWAPA and the support they receive from the pilot membership. They/we are currently are in section 6 negotiations. But things are moving a little slowly. Mostly because the SWAPA has given the company everything they need in side letters to the old contract. The union has signed 18 side letters since the contract was passed. I'm not saying SWA is a bad company or a bad to place work, because it is not. But with Babbitt and Kelly running the show, it will be interesting to see if SWAPA learns to say no.

* to be clear side letters 8,9 and 10 were applicable to the SLI process. The following eight side letters were almost all work rule related (red eye flying, international, guarantee.. Open time process). Why even bother negotiating???
And these SL's get signed after their pilot group gets 1700 new friends from a former competitor. Not what it will take for this group to take a stand.

 

[madjack]

These negotiations are not going like previous contracts, too much negotiating in public...too many big egos at SWAPA and SWA

 

[DougCorp-9]

These negotiations are not going like previous contracts, too much negotiating in public...too many big egos at SWAPA and SWA

Yeah, this is about egos. You keep believing that Einstein. Let us know when you wake up and figure it out.

 

[Just thinking]

...tired of baby sitting AAI FOs...............

Yeah and the RSW pilot group has such a stellar track record going for themselves over the past year.

 

[Cometman]

...tired of baby sitting AAI FOs...............

Yeah and the RSW pilot group has such a stellar track record going for themselves over the past year.

Lets be fair when you mention the past year. Look at their record over the last 35 years to get a good sample. Besides, if you are trying to compare SWA with Airtran then you need to take into account that SWA has over 3300 flights everyday where Airtran had what about 1000 if that? Multiply that by 365 days a year and you come up with close to a million flights more in a year.

 

[madjack]

Hey dumba$$, we all know what mgmt wants, the public negotiating is the new twist...

 

[Daddy]

You guys are so funny. Management hands everyone here a big fat turd and all you can do is fight amongst yourselves while we are actively negotiating our contract. Even an idiot like VDV can be made go look like a genius when you do that. Why the hostility between each other? The company has pretty much dictated the game so far....we are powerless as individuals. Our company is making record profits and we have the worst retirement and reserve of the majors. Its contract time. FOCUS!

 

[Ty Webb]

You guys are so funny. Management hands everyone here a big fat turd and all you can do is fight amongst yourselves while we are actively negotiating our contract. Even an idiot like VDV can be made go look like a genius when you do that. Why the hostility between each other? The company has pretty much dictated the game so far....we are powerless as individuals. Our company is making record profits and we have the worst retirement and reserve of the majors. Its contract time. FOCUS!

Sorry, Man, but you don't insult me, threaten me, steal from me, lie to me and then ask me for my help. I traded 3.5 years of seniority and my seat for this great contract and pay rates, I should be satisfied, right?

SWAPA and this pilot group have a LONG way to go if they expect to get any solidarity out of many of us.

 

[Tripower455]

Sorry, Man, but you don't insult me, threaten me, steal from me, lie to me and then ask me for my help. I traded 3.5 years of seniority and my seat for this great contract and pay rates, I should be satisfied, right?

So, a bad contract would somehow make your lot in life better?

SWAPA and this pilot group have a LONG way to go if they expect to get any solidarity out of many of us.

That goes for the RSW guys too...... and it goes back WAY before the AT debacle was even a glimmer in GK's eyes.

 

[HowardBorden]

Sorry, Man, but you don't insult me, threaten me, steal from me, lie to me and then ask me for my help. I traded 3.5 years of seniority and my seat for this great contract and pay rates, I should be satisfied, right?

SWAPA and this pilot group have a LONG way to go if they expect to get any solidarity out of many of us.

That is the most ridiculous post I have read in a long time.

Like it or not you will be a part of SWAPA soon. If you want to attempt to screw everyone-including yourself and all FAT pilots-in order to show your discontent, then go right ahead and promote as much chaos as possible.

Grow up! It's over. I know that is hard to accept but you can't change the past.

Going forward any disunity you spread will adversely affect you as much as anyone else. If that's the road you feel you need to take to remedy the grievance offenses you were shouldered with than so be it.

The alternative would be to get involved and promote us all receiving an industry leading contract and improving your quality of life and compensation package instead of actively attempting to divide the group that you are now involved with and making your own life more miserable.