AA Pilot Leader Wants America West Pilots in Seniority Talks - Article

[Bringupthebird]

Gotta admit it, Turtle called this one.

The Nic will be slotted in with the APA list with a WB carve out for APA.

He gets it!!!!

 

[Turtle21]

Thanks Nostradamus! There will be 6 new arbitrators who probably all know Nicolau personally. They also know that the East shenanigans undermined their own authority (giving a "binding award"). Yeah, they won't be thinking about any of that...... Nope..... This is gonna be good.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Status quo.


Even if the arbitrators have more affinity for fellow arbitrators rather than the contracts... and it comes back as the Nic, we still won't believe you are a pilot.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Thanks Nostradamus! There will be 6 new arbitrators who probably all know Nicolau personally. They also know that the East shenanigans undermined their own authority (giving a "binding award"). Yeah, they won't be thinking about any of that...... Nope..... This is gonna be good.



Bye Bye---General Lee

You misspelled his name....it's nostradumbass. [emoji1]

 

[captainjack]

The last the East pilots heard from Freund was at Wye River when he was working for the West. They fired him for telling them the truth.. that all the risk in the lawsuits was risk to the West.



Now that the West has lost every lawsuit like Freund told them they would, and now that the West ratified the MOU, and once the West signs the Protocol Agreement as a precondition to entering SLI Arbitration... then I'm sure Freund will be able to hit them a grand slam home run (the deck will be soooo stacked in his favor).



It won't be Nic. It won't be DOH. It will be slotting, with weighting toward those with wide bodies. It will be fair and equitable, and implemented (by law). We will all live happily ever after, except for those still clinging to lost legends and lotteries that never were.

West pilots NEVER fired Freund. His firm doesn't do DFR cases such as the lawyers we used.

Freund was always in the background. He very effectively argued for the Delta, United, and AWA pilots. He was also used at SW.

He is now resuming his role now that the case of USAPA herpes has been killed off.

The NIC is alive and well. The sooner you realize this the less disappointed you will be at the end of this process.

 

[Metrojet]

Gotta admit it, Turtle called this one.

The Nic will be slotted in with the APA list with a WB carve out for APA.

He gets it!!!!

Sorry to break it to you bird

No way a 90+ percentile PHX Captain is going to get slotted next to a 50+ percentile CLT Captain and then both are going to get slotted into the AA list at around 50 percentile on combined list.

That would be SUPER seniority for a LAWA pilot over both LUS and LAA - even with wide body protection

Even if PHX gets a seat at table ( and that is a BIG IF ) - no way is your new and updated "NIC " going to make it. And I like the way it shows "OLD NIC #" and "NEW NIC #" and difference - guess where the difference came from - all EAST retirements .

And the new list will include 1800 EAST pilots in their rightful place on the combined list / slotted in with LAWA, LUS, and LAA. Not at the bottom like you think will give you all SUPER SENIORITY.

I think you all are going to hurt yourselves big time by submitting that NEW NIC.

Good luck

Metrojet

 

[Bringupthebird]

Metrojet, go look up "Seniority" and then "Longevity" and then get back to us with your epiphany moment. Include a selfie for that priceless expression when it hits you.

 

[captainjack]

Let Metrojet believe any fantasy he wants. Wilder is no match for Freund.

Maybe the East should hire Katz again. Oh wait...

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Even if PHX gets a seat at table ( and that is a BIG if...

I'd bet that if PHX doesn't get a seat at the table, they'd certainly have a "ripe" DFR for the picking.

 

[Metrojet]

Metrojet, go look up "Seniority" and then "Longevity" and then get back to us with your epiphany moment. Include a selfie for that priceless expression when it hits you.

Your response just proves that your "New Nic" proposal for SLI has no basis , since rather than specifically explain why it should be used - you just throw out insults because you cannot defend it.

Typical West position. Let me explain it to you further - 4000+ East pilots don't accept it, what makes you think 8500+ APA pilots will think it is fair.

I think you guys should propose DOH (with full lists ) - merge with East list - and then the arbitrators will probably look more favorably on your minority group.

What have you got to loose? Being stuck in PHX for a few more years?

Good luck

Metrojet

 

[Metrojet]

I'd bet that if PHX doesn't get a seat at the table, they'd certainly have a "ripe" DFR for the picking.

Spaulding -

APA has offered to let an arbitrator decide if MB legislation allows it - if they say yes - they are in - if they say no - then no basis for DFR

 

[captainjack]

Spaulding -



APA has offered to let an arbitrator decide if MB legislation allows it - if they say yes - they are in - if they say no - then no basis for DFR

Totally not true. If this is coming from Szamanski and Wilder you are getting bad legal advice. The DFR liability is independent of this arbitration. The APA and the Company are fully aware of this.

Keep poking away.

 

[Turtle21]

West pilots NEVER fired Freund. His firm doesn't do DFR cases such as the lawyers we used.

Freund was always in the background. He very effectively argued for the Delta, United, and AWA pilots. He was also used at SW.

He is now resuming his role now that the case of USAPA herpes has been killed off.

The NIC is alive and well. The sooner you realize this the less disappointed you will be at the end of this process.

Ok, so Freund is a super hero. Ask Freund to explain contractual "nullity" and contractual "status quo" to you as defined in the MOU and Protocol Agreement. And while he is at it, ask him to show you one legal document that affirms the status quo includes anything besides the three lists in effect.

The west merger committee will be established pursuant to the Protocol Agreement and the arbitration board will decide a fair and equitable SLI of the contractual status quo. Whining about the status quo will not be smiled upon.

 

[Turtle21]

Totally not true. If this is coming from Szamanski and Wilder you are getting bad legal advice. The DFR liability is independent of this arbitration. The APA and the Company are fully aware of this.

Keep poking away.

The idea of a Nic DFR being successful are just laughable (it was already tried on the merits and lost). And that loss was before the protections and immunities that are stacked up a mile high in the MOU, the Protocol Agreement, the two arbitrations set forth, the upcoming JCBA, and above all the M/B legislation. The Nic is nothing but nostalgia now.

 

[General Lee]

The idea of a Nic DFR being successful are just laughable (it was already tried on the merits and lost). And that loss was before the protections and immunities that are stacked up a mile high in the MOU, the Protocol Agreement, the two arbitrations set forth, the upcoming JCBA, and above all the M/B legislation. The Nic is nothing but nostalgia now.

You may want to wait until after the two arbitration panels to state that Turtle.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ocity]

Spaulding -

APA has offered to let an arbitrator decide if MB legislation allows it - if they say yes - they are in - if they say no - then no basis for DFR

Wrong Again!