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Draginass said:
What will the east pilots do if they don't get DOH in the coming arbitration?

What will the west pilots do if the Nicolau list is not used?
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No matter what the outcome, all 3 sides will be bitching.

Hopefully there will be no legality technicality to hold things up.
 
general lee said:
you signed the agreement before going through arbitration. You agreed to nicolau before he started (he was one of your choices). Soooo, you put your chips down before you got your cards. I don't see your point that there was more to do afterwards. Sure, you needed to get a joint contract, but because your side disagreed with the sli award, your side made it more difficult to achieve that joint contract. You guys wanted the west to change the award, and they didn't have to, so your group put them in "purgatory" as punishment, keeping them out west, not allowing them to enjoy the upgrades out east, all because you had a majority by a small margin. tell me that isn't correct.


bye bye---genital lee
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that isn't correct
 
DCAA320 said:
that isn't correct
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Take your head out of Uranus, if you can. Notice you didn't (and can't) refute any of those points. You are a waste of time.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
The only thing the first panel of arbitrators will decide is IF the west gets a seat at the table to represent themselves not if the NIC must be used that's all. Only the final SLI panel would have any say regarding the use of NIC.
 
surfnfly said:
The only thing the first panel of arbitrators will decide is IF the west gets a seat at the table to represent themselves not if the NIC must be used that's all. Only the final SLI panel would have any say regarding the use of NIC.
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That's great, then it will be settled during the second one. Why would 6 total arbitrators rule against one of their peers (Nicolau himself)? That would weaken their own authority in future cases, allowing others to pull the same ridiculous stunt the Easties pulled. Can't wait to watch this one...


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
East pilots love to blame everyone but themselves for their poor choices, bet you they overplay this next arbitration hand again...
 
C'mon are they really that predictable? Folks with no short or long-term memory are bound to make the same mistakes over and over. That's all they can do.

Heck, turd there can't even remember why USAPA went to court.
 
General Lee said:
That really is horses%#t. What were those East guys smokin? Nicolau obviously didn't think way, and I doubt the other upcoming arbitrators will see it the East way either.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Dunno, maybe they were smoking peters...Something you know a ton about.
 
The East should be worried. Why?

Jeff Freund is the West's lawyer.

Ask legacy United and Delta pilots about him.

Or better yet, ask the East pilots, CAL pilots, and Northwest pilots about him.
 
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captainjack said:
The East should be worried. Why?

Jeff Freund is the West's lawyer.

Ask legacy United and Delta pilots about him.

Or better yet, ask the East pilots, CAL pilots, and Northwest pilots about him.
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The last the East pilots heard from Freund was at Wye River when he was working for the West. They fired him for telling them the truth.. that all the risk in the lawsuits was risk to the West.

Now that the West has lost every lawsuit like Freund told them they would, and now that the West ratified the MOU, and once the West signs the Protocol Agreement as a precondition to entering SLI Arbitration... then I'm sure Freund will be able to hit them a grand slam home run (the deck will be soooo stacked in his favor).

It won't be Nic. It won't be DOH. It will be slotting, with weighting toward those with wide bodies. It will be fair and equitable, and implemented (by law). We will all live happily ever after, except for those still clinging to lost legends and lotteries that never were.
 
Turtle21 said:
The last the East pilots heard from Freund was at Wye River when he was working for the West. They fired him for telling them the truth.. that all the risk in the lawsuits was risk to the West.

Now that the West has lost every lawsuit like Freund told them they would, and now that the West ratified the MOU, and once the West signs the Protocol Agreement as a precondition to entering SLI Arbitration... then I'm sure Freund will be able to hit them a grand slam home run (the deck will be soooo stacked in his favor).

It won't be Nic. It won't be DOH. It will be slotting, with weighting toward those with wide bodies. It will be fair and equitable, and implemented (by law). We will all live happily ever after, except for those still clinging to lost legends and lotteries that never were.
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Thanks Nostradamus! There will be 6 new arbitrators who probably all know Nicolau personally. They also know that the East shenanigans undermined their own authority (giving a "binding award"). Yeah, they won't be thinking about any of that...... Nope..... This is gonna be good.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Thanks Nostradamus! There will be 6 new arbitrators who probably all know Nicolau personally. They also know that the East shenanigans undermined their own authority (giving a "binding award"). Yeah, they won't be thinking about any of that...... Nope..... This is gonna be good.



Bye Bye---General Lee
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Status quo. :)


Even if the arbitrators have more affinity for fellow arbitrators rather than the contracts... and it comes back as the Nic, we still won't believe you are a pilot. :D
 
General Lee said:
Thanks Nostradamus! There will be 6 new arbitrators who probably all know Nicolau personally. They also know that the East shenanigans undermined their own authority (giving a "binding award"). Yeah, they won't be thinking about any of that...... Nope..... This is gonna be good.



Bye Bye---General Lee
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You misspelled his name....it's nostradumbass. [emoji1]
 
Turtle21 said:
The last the East pilots heard from Freund was at Wye River when he was working for the West. They fired him for telling them the truth.. that all the risk in the lawsuits was risk to the West.



Now that the West has lost every lawsuit like Freund told them they would, and now that the West ratified the MOU, and once the West signs the Protocol Agreement as a precondition to entering SLI Arbitration... then I'm sure Freund will be able to hit them a grand slam home run (the deck will be soooo stacked in his favor).



It won't be Nic. It won't be DOH. It will be slotting, with weighting toward those with wide bodies. It will be fair and equitable, and implemented (by law). We will all live happily ever after, except for those still clinging to lost legends and lotteries that never were.
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West pilots NEVER fired Freund. His firm doesn't do DFR cases such as the lawyers we used.

Freund was always in the background. He very effectively argued for the Delta, United, and AWA pilots. He was also used at SW.

He is now resuming his role now that the case of USAPA herpes has been killed off.

The NIC is alive and well. The sooner you realize this the less disappointed you will be at the end of this process.
 
Bringupthebird said:
Gotta admit it, Turtle called this one.

The Nic will be slotted in with the APA list with a WB carve out for APA.

He gets it!!!!
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Sorry to break it to you bird

No way a 90+ percentile PHX Captain is going to get slotted next to a 50+ percentile CLT Captain and then both are going to get slotted into the AA list at around 50 percentile on combined list.

That would be SUPER seniority for a LAWA pilot over both LUS and LAA - even with wide body protection

Even if PHX gets a seat at table ( and that is a BIG IF ) - no way is your new and updated "NIC " going to make it. And I like the way it shows "OLD NIC #" and "NEW NIC #" and difference - guess where the difference came from - all EAST retirements .

And the new list will include 1800 EAST pilots in their rightful place on the combined list / slotted in with LAWA, LUS, and LAA. Not at the bottom like you think will give you all SUPER SENIORITY.

I think you all are going to hurt yourselves big time by submitting that NEW NIC.

Good luck

Metrojet
 

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