10/250

[fischman]

Realism is not a concession.

MC's numbers would seem to confirm my point of view.


And yes, the photon torpedo reference was for you amigo...

Thanks for only setting the phaser on "stun."

I wouldn't set a phaser to kill aimed at you.

 

[jtf]

[QUOTEjonjuan;2423659]I don't think airlines get cola raises after top longevity.[/QUOTE]

All the major airlines, and at least most of the regionals, have COLA raises every year of the contract whether it be the first year or the last on the pay scales. They typically don't carry on the COLA raises once the contract is done and they go into negotiations- a five year contract will have pay scales for each year of the contract that include the COLA raises. I don't believe any of the airlines have actual inflation indexed COLA raises, but instead a fixed raise and this raise is on top of longevity raises. For NetJets next contract, I believe the majority are in favor of using an indexed based raise in case of massive inflation. The company has that for the management fees in every owner contact, along with a minimum rate for inflation.

 

[jtf]

If we are going to settle for 10/180, they better include something like our first day OT rules for everyday and OT for any nonflying time when at the airport with a full crew and working airplane. That would bring plenty of soft money to bring the average pay up. That would be on top of the retirement improvements.

 

[fischman]

BO swore on all kinds of soft money.

Personally, I never see it.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Fisch, the rational amongst us haven't taken you seriously in some time. Maybe it's time for you to let the grown ups talk now.

Can I have his if he doesn't want his 250k?

 

[FLYLOW22]

BO swore on all kinds of soft money.

Personally, I never see it.

Mormons.

 

[fischman]

Can I have his if he doesn't want his 250k?

We'll split it.

 

[jtf]

I'm not a big fan of the soft money, but if it is set up right there is no way the company would be able to side step it without hiring many more pilots and having a bigger core fleet. And just imagine if scheduling did figure out how to do it without extra pilots, without paying us hideous amounts of OT, and without massive selloffs. We would be constantly well rested and the job would be loads easier. I would trade some pay for that. There would still need to be a massive improvement not including soft money.

 

[OPECJet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZomwVcGt0LE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[FLYLOW22]

Family Guy is back.

 

[727C47]

being a pessimist doesn't make you a grown up,it just narrows your horizons. Go Fisch !!!

 

[msculley6905]

If we are going to settle for 10/180, they better include something like our first day OT rules for everyday and OT for any nonflying time when at the airport with a full crew and working airplane. That would bring plenty of soft money to bring the average pay up. That would be on top of the retirement improvements.

Why on earth should you be paid more when sitting at an FBO with a full crew and good tail (which is rare on days not named saturday)? More pay when you're not bringing in revenue...does not compute

 

[jetlag7]

Why on earth should you be paid more when sitting at an FBO with a full crew and good tail (which is rare on days not named saturday)? More pay when you're not bringing in revenue...does not compute

That's not how the business model works. This isn't an airline, nor is it a "pay as you go" charter outfit....

 

[msculley6905]

That's not how the business model works. This isn't an airline, nor is it a "pay as you go" charter outfit....

I'm well aware of how the business works. You're at the FBO for when a new booking come in. Or a mechanical happens. Or a fatigue call is made. Or a DNIF is made. Or someone duties out. That's the business model, and should not require further compensation to do so. IMO of course.

 

[brokeflyer]

we're not paid to fly, we're paid to be "available" to fly.

it isnt an airline.

 

[gunfyter]

I am just happy not to have been arrested for loitering

 

[fischman]

That's not how the business model works. This isn't an airline, nor is it a "pay as you go" charter outfit....

Why are you bothering with him? He obviously doesn't understand what we do, he's obviously paid to be here to spread FUD, and he's obviously a management stooge.

 

[jetlag7]

Why are you bothering with him? He obviously doesn't understand what we do, he's obviously paid to be here to spread FUD, and he's obviously a management stooge.

Just bored I suppose.... really ought to get a new hobby. Ever try brewing Stag in the basement??

 

[gutshotdraw]

Management stooge, Fisch?

C'mon now.

Name calling is the last resort of a weak mind.

When one uses name calling, he has no more valid arguments left.

Logic is awesome.

In short, you lose.

 

[gret]

Nurses and teachers contribute more to mankind, are better educated, earn less, and don’t strut around telling everyone how great they are….like a NFL wide receiver or the very small minority of pilots who have self esteem problems and give real airmen and airwomen a bad name.

Make as much money as you can, but don’t be foolish enough to think that you should be paid as if you are something special…you're not...if you were…you would be doing something else.