10/250

[BentOver]

That's cause your taxed on the third one.... 3 was the standard before 2010

 

[gunfyter]

I lost 45 lbs since they made that rule

 

[Humphreybogart]

Thanks to you Bogey? :bawling:

Funny, not a word of any schedule change until the Teamsters were voted in. Things that make you go hum, Kid...

 

[gunfyter]

Maybe they make you go hmm. Over here it doesnt amount to a hill of beans because We have no such thing

 

[G4dude]

???? WTF are you saying???

You do realize that Comair struck for 89 days back in 2001, costing Delta well over a billion $$, created a work slowdown by following the book, and had a huge showing of solidarity as evident by the stacks of NO votes piled high at the CP's office door....They signed what was then considered the best contract at the time (I KNOW comparing regional contracts is like comparing who's herpes contraction looks better) They risked alot and stood strong... Nothing but respect for anyone who had the pleasure of passing through Comair's doors..

QOL at Comair for the next few years after that was generally pretty good. (atleast mine was).. Although not much money, I was making more then than most RJ 70-90 seat pilots are making nowadays...with better work rules.

It wasn't until around 2004- that places like CHQ and Mesa put too much pressure on our way of life and unfortunately the Comair pilots slowly gave in and caved on concessionary contracts. And after that it was just a matter of old 50 seaters and being wholly owned by Big D. Delta could pull more strings at Comair than they could with the other contract carriers....

Next time use a different analogy to compare bottom feeders.... I spent some quality time at Comair, which is the reason I never have looked back and had one negative comment about my time there.. IMO time well spent and had a lot of fun and met some good people.

And don't forget what the QOL and wages were like at NJA pre-'05

Mahalo

ComAir's history is EXACTLY why we have to be cautious about how hard we negotiate. Don't you understand that their higher overhead is why they shut down? Their competitors had lower cost of operation and survived as a result. Company survival is rather important if we want to be employed, it seems to me.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Yawn. Blah blah blah. Could someone please summarize the past three hundred posts in red text so I don't waste my evening?

 

[gret]

Yawn. Blah blah blah. Could someone please summarize the past three hundred posts in red text so I don't waste my evening?

A gentleman wanted a discussion of a proposal where the union would ask for $250K salary for PIC's after 10 years of service.

Some people thought it would be a good idea and doable, others thought it was crazy. We yelled at each and called each other names...of course wishing everyone the best during the process.

We discussed the career risks and salary level of firefighters, nurses, teachers, and policeman and everyone here thought pilots have the most dangerous job and that the could become teachers, firefighters, teachers, and policeman, but it wouldn't work in reverse ...very surprising and shocking.

Somebody wrote a post begging an owner to write Warren a letter asking that he help out the pilots with more money so they could live as good as their neighbors who work 9 to 5 and make more money.

I think the last figure thrown out for NetJets profits was about $6 trillion, so they are in the position to pay the pilots more...just joking about the $6 trillion.

The gentleman who started the thread came back awhile ago and thought $180K was a more realistic number and he was immediately burned at the stake and called a loser.

Now it appears we are at the stage of poster's fatigue. Overall, it was a lively discussion that didn't do too much damage to anyone's ego.

Why did you want it red and next time pay attention.

 

[BentOver]

ComAir's history is EXACTLY why we have to be cautious about how hard we negotiate. Don't you understand that their higher overhead is why they shut down? Their competitors had lower cost of operation and survived as a result. Company survival is rather important if we want to be employed, it seems to me.

Comair ceased operations because they were owned by Delta and had no other opportunity to outside flying because they were a wholly owned carrier...

The other regionals who did get flying once done by Comair, had vastly younger pilots.... And not nearly as senior... Unless you think a 20 year guy should be paid that of a 4 yr Captain who's maybe 30....

And to completely invalidate your argument, Comair did eventually take a pay freeze and then a pay cut..... Only to have the company come back and want more.......

There is a point when it's time to stop being a p.ussy

 

[doh]

ComAir's history is EXACTLY why we have to be cautious about how hard we negotiate. Don't you understand that their higher overhead is why they shut down? Their competitors had lower cost of operation and survived as a result. Company survival is rather important if we want to be employed, it seems to me.

Bulls***!!!!??? Comair was shut down because Delta didn't give a flying F how much money they lost, they were going to stick it to the pilots who dared say no to the Godd*** Evil Empire!!! Comair pilots were not one penny more expensive than any other regional! Get that straight!uke:

 

[hopalong]

Your request to NJAOwner should make every swinging d!ck cringe. Real men don't beg, cry, or complain...

Warren has already been sought out for support of his workers...see link below. He wouldn't help out coal miners making $52K a year..so I doubt he will jump at the chance to pay pilots making $80K and up more.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/05/united-mine-workers-seek-warren-buffetts-help/​

If he were to answer it should/would be..."sure, let's give them more money...how much do you, as a client, want to kick in to help these poor overworked boys out?"

Buffett considers NetJets one of his worst investments ever in case you didn't know.

What are you so AFAID of gret???? Are you nervous that owners will write letters to Warren exposing the truth? We are responsible for more lives and real estate than any other profession. The more you continue comparing us to bartenders and coal miners; the more idiotic you appear.

Why do you refuse to tell us your profession ??? Everytime I ask, you run away and hide, you wuss.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

...Overall, it was a lively discussion that didn't do too much damage to anyone's ego.

Why did you want it red and next time pay attention.

Gret, Ur awesome! Thanks for the summary, I asked for it in RED so I could find it if there were 40 more posts before I looked. 10/250 is a great goal, but we have to keep raising the bar every three - five years. So what will the 2017 CBA pay scale be? F111? First year FO pay $111k? Or 3/152?

 

[OHGOON]

If you have to tell the world how great you are, you are not great and look foolish.

Can I quote you next time someone tells me I should be quiet because I'm lucky to be living in the greatest country there ever was?

 

[el raton]

Can I quote you next time someone tells me I should be quiet because I'm lucky to be living in the greatest country there ever was?

Only if you can name one better.

 

[gret]

Can I quote you next time someone tells me I should be quiet because I'm lucky to be living in the greatest country there ever was?

Good afternoon...you have rights to any of my quotes...and you don't even have to attribute them back to me!

Hope all is well...rooting for the Giants tonight and A&M next Saturday!

 

[gret]

What are you so AFAID of gret???? Are you nervous that owners will write letters to Warren exposing the truth? We are responsible for more lives and real estate than any other profession. The more you continue comparing us to bartenders and coal miners; the more idiotic you appear.

Why do you refuse to tell us your profession ??? Everytime I ask, you run away and hide, you wuss.

My goodness...nobody is comparing pilots to bartenders or coal miners from a professional standpoint. Someone commented that the risks associated with a career in aviation were greater than others and their contribution to society was without equal. I felt differently and thought that teachers, nurses, firefighters, and policemen made greater contributions because they educated our children, helped us when we were sick, and protected us from the bad guys. To me, having bad guys shooting at me or going down a mile deep mine carrys greater risk.

As disclosed previously, I'm a cross dressing juggler from Pattaya trying to make a living here in the US for my wife and children. I spend time on FI to learn English and humility from my heros.

I looked up "wuss" in the Urban Dictionary and you shouldn't call people names likes this that you don't know.

 

[OHGOON]

Only if you can name one better.

Knew that would bring out the easily agitated and terminally brainwashed...and in only 17 minutes no less.

How bout New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Switzerland and everywhere else where God and Flag nutters don't threaten the rest of the population constantly with their half backed neurotic paranoia.

Forgot Sweden and Norway...Costa Rica is very nice.

Since gret kindly allowed:

If you have to tell the world how great you are, you are not great and look foolish.

 

[hopalong]

Nobody is knocking the choice of one’s profession, but making a determination of one’s personal worth to mankind is self serving….and using it as a basis of setting compensation is absurd….which is what some knuckleheads are trying to do with comments that NetJets pilots are superior to other aviators and have very unique skill sets that nobody else possesses (i.e. airline, Part 91, and charter pilots). Really? I mean you actually think this way and believe it?

Arguing the point of who benefits mankind more is silly…this isn’t even close! Someone who takes care of you when you’re sick or educates your children is far more valuable to society than a person who flies an airplane, sells insurance, prepares tax returns, etc. Not to mention the relative higher worth of firefighters, policemen and women, or a highly qualified bartender.

The comment about career risks applies to most professions and is not a difference maker.

Yes, most pilots could have become successful teachers, nurses, etc…obviously a few didn’t and made the wrong choice becoming pilots and thinking everyone would marvel at their genius and back up the trucks with loads of money.

Make as much as you can…but stop with the hubris that demeans us all.

Society doesn’t guarantee you your dreams…or anything else.

Gretchen,

Please read your own words.... You clearly have no respect for aviators. Why
Do you come on here and post? I believe you are management. REAL MEN don't run away and hide when asked a simple question. What do you do for a living?
(Besides a cross dressing juggler, your words not mine)

 

[hopalong]

Nobody is knocking the choice of one’s profession, but making a determination of one’s personal worth to mankind is self serving….and using it as a basis of setting compensation is absurd….which is what some knuckleheads are trying to do with comments that NetJets pilots are superior to other aviators and have very unique skill sets that nobody else possesses (i.e. airline, Part 91, and charter pilots). Really? I mean you actually think this way and believe it?

Arguing the point of who benefits mankind more is silly…this isn’t even close! Someone who takes care of you when you’re sick or educates your children is far more valuable to society than a person who flies an airplane, sells insurance, prepares tax returns, etc. Not to mention the relative higher worth of firefighters, policemen and women, or a highly qualified bartender.

The comment about career risks applies to most professions and is not a difference maker.

Yes, most pilots could have become successful teachers, nurses, etc…obviously a few didn’t and made the wrong choice becoming pilots and thinking everyone would marvel at their genius and back up the trucks with loads of money.

Make as much as you can…but stop with the hubris that demeans us all.

Society doesn’t guarantee you your dreams…or anything

 

[hopalong]

I see you on here Gret. What do you do for a living? Will you run away and hide again, real man?

You were on here looking at this post for 20 minutes and no response!!! You are not a pilot, you are a FAKE and a PHONEY! You will not even tell us what you do for a living. Most of us here are transparent including, the pilots, the owners and the dispatchers. At least we have the balls to be REAL.... You, however, are nothing but a pompous ass lecturing to all of us about how we should act. Who do you think you are????

 

[gret]

Gretchen,

Please read your own words.... You clearly have no respect for aviators. Why
Do you come on here and post? I believe you are management. REAL MEN don't run away and hide when asked a simple question. What do you do for a living?
(Besides a cross dressing juggler, your words not mine)

The words speak for themselves and if you've chosen to draw a conclusion to fit your agenda, so be it. If you wish to share your opinion, debate is welcome and maybe you can put forth facts that will educate us all.

Can't help you if you chose to act like an overly sensitive katoey who broke a nail when not everyone falls into line with your way of thinking.

If you have to ask for respect, you don't deserve it...and won't get it. I have a very high opinion of of pilots, especially those that came from the military and joined the corporate world. My experience working with them has been a pleasure.

 

[gret]

I see you on here Gret. What do you do for a living? Will you run away and hide again, real man?

You were on here looking at this post for 20 minutes and no response!!! You are not a pilot, you are a FAKE and a PHONEY! You will not even tell us what you do for a living. Most of us here are transparent including, the pilots, the owners and the dispatchers. At least we have the balls to be REAL.... You, however, are nothing but a pompous ass lecturing to all of us about how we should act. Who do you think you are????

Sorry...I was watching the end of the 49's game with the Packers.

You can, and will, act as you wish.

 

[hopalong]

When did I ask for respect from you Miss High and mighty goodness gracious snob?
Again, what do you do for a living?

Oh, forget it, I don't even care anymore girly girl...

 

[G4dude]

When did I ask for respect from you Miss High and mighty goodness gracious snob?
Again, what do you do for a living?

Oh, forget it, I don't even care anymore girly girl...

Drinking and posting, not a good idea.

 

[x402]

Drinking and posting, not a good idea.

It is entertaining, though.

 

[hopalong]

Hiccup....

 

[el raton]

Knew that would bring out the easily agitated and terminally brainwashed...and in only 17 minutes no less.

How bout New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Switzerland and everywhere else where God and Flag nutters don't threaten the rest of the population constantly with their half backed neurotic paranoia.

Forgot Sweden and Norway...Costa Rica is very nice.

Since gret kindly allowed:

Then go! We'll all be better off.

 

[Downwind]

Can we get a "No Personal Attacks" filter like the "No Politics" one. I could get up-to-speed in about three minutes versus the current half-hour.

 

[el raton]

......

 

[Newkem]

You all do realize if we get 10/250 in the next contract , we will be very near the top 1%. Do we deserve to be "one percenters?"

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130910/DA8NN7U02.html

Cream rises to the top. :beer:

 

[gunfyter]

I do

Not sure about the rest of you trailer trash .... :bawling: