10/250

[fischman]

You are wrong. Read "Reality bites". No way WB coughs up more than 10%. Good luck.

We shall see. Buckle up. It's going to be a long ride.

 

[OPECJet]

I think WB will cough up more than 10% if he wants NJA to continue flying. The 100% Fisch talks about would be awesome. The reality is we'll be lucky to see 30%.

 

[billybob]

There is the $$$ and there is retirement and scope.

Lets all remember WE are working together. Lets not piss on each other (falcon guys it's ok) lets work on some ideas and getting me back to work.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Can't compete? Seriously? What competition? Avantair? CitationAir? Flex and FLOPS are only 30% of the market share.

Someone get his man-card.

Exactly.

What competition? Kenny's King Airs?



Huge pay increases coming.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I believe Fisch is also leaving out that the average part 91 pilot, while flying less hours than an equivalent NJA pilot, takes on management, dispatch, flight coordination, and other ancillary duties that NJA pilots do not. Compared with the average part 91 pilots, NJA pilots are actually closer to "walking in and turning left" than not.

We aren't 91.

We aren't airline.

We're NetJets.


There are no new arguments here now presented than in 2004 as to why or why NJA pilots will not be given solid/real/hefty pay increases. Don't mistake lack of message board willingness for lack of resolve, however.

This company needs a safe and competent workforce to move it's Owners around.

That comes with a price.

Many airlines will be hiring and with right seat pay meeting or exceeding whatNJA pilots can make in the left seat currently, it's just good business for many pilots at NJA to consider making a move to equal pay with the assurance of more in the future rather than stay at a place with no future except low wages.


No Brainer. Let the exodus begin.

With the opening offer from the company being a 5% paycut... I can't read this playing out any other way for management.

No pilots to hire and pilots leaving... not good.

 

[Pervis]

They managed healthy raises in 2005 ans 2007 while making huge profites on sales alone. We were hemorrhaging money in ops without a care in the world. Now we're making record profits on ops alone, paying off north of $1 BILLION in debt, and just starting to see an uptic in sales.

Healthy raises are not a pipe dream. Consider our owners pay annual increases in their management fees, ostensibly for increases in salaries, we need a large increase just to realize those fees. Consider the benefit of both sales and ops revenue, the sky is the limit.

 

[chainring]

These people dont fly netjets for the price tag.

You guys kills me

 

[NJAowner]

Please don't think you are irreplaceable in your job. Everyone is replaceable -- the greatest doctors, lawyers, NFL quarterbacks, founders of fractional companies, the President of the United States. Life goes on, business carries on, after a few days the irreplaceable employee is forgotten about. Those who think they are irreplaceable usually end up unemployed. This doe snot mean settle for little -- but just don't think you are totally irreplaceable.

 

[OPECJet]

You guys are still failing to realize our peer group. It extends past the 91K world into the 135 arena as well. This last economic downturn changed it all to include XOJet, SunJet, CloudJet, ToolJet, CoolJet, etc. The owners set our peer group by their travel habits and who they use for their flying.

I know the company is making record profits. We should expect to see a large percentage increase. No way we get 100% without getting released and striking. The company will never agree to it, and arbitrator will never grant it. It's going to come down to what the pilot group is willing to walk out for.

 

[gunfyter]

What I don't like about this thread is there is no reason to negotiate with message board people ... let the union reps negotiate with the company reps. If you don't like the product they present ... vote no.