10/250

[BushwickBill]

Bushwick...you gotta do what's best for you. If HR denied your request, that is the first I've heard of that happening. Anyone else get the same response?

This place has changed a lot over the years, and I've got my resumes out there as well. Try not to be so angry though, man. Life is too short.

There are others. Just met one in TEB 2 days ago.

Again this thread should go back on track to facilitate those courageous to do what is right for the industry.

 

[gret]

I think you are a genius. Or at least some sort of savant. Or a 12 year old that keeps quoting Top Gun. It's really difficult to be sure.

Excellent dry humor..

For what it's worth-

“You can’t win unless you try to win, but you can lose by trying not to lose.”


― Jack Campbell, Relentless​

 

[X-rated]

It would be neat if you spent more time worrying about the welfare of the FOs at your place of employment.

Bushwick,

There are no FOs at my place of employment. We're all PIC's, and we're all doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.

I'm happy you've decided to get out of the flying business for a multitude of reasons. You may be one of the few XOJETers who don't know who I am on FI, but your reputation definitely precedes you. Enough said.

However, I think you've got me wrong. I want to see NJA pilots get the most they possibly can. It's good for every one of us. However, being unrealistic about the current environment does not further that cause in my opinion. I would think a 25 percent raise is very realistic and could be achieved fairly quickly. Why not take it and try again in a better economy and when pilots finally have some negotiating power? It's obviously their choice; I'm just putting it out there.

 

[gunfyter]

CPI increases for the next 3 years could have been IMPOSED ... BUT were not taken by the other side.

25% is much better than that . You don't think we'd have taken 25% instead of CPI ... especially when we had no choice ...? That option was available under the current cba to extend it.

I am not an negotiator but when that option was not exercised I knew they were aiming for concessions

 

[BushwickBill]

Bushwick,

There are no FOs at my place of employment. We're all PIC's, and we're all doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.

I'm happy you've decided to get out of the flying business for a multitude of reasons. You may be one of the few XOJETers who don't know who I am on FI, but your reputation definitely precedes you. Enough said.

However, I think you've got me wrong. I want to see NJA pilots get the most they possibly can. It's good for every one of us. However, being unrealistic about the current environment does not further that cause in my opinion. I would think a 25 percent raise is very realistic and could be achieved fairly quickly. Why not take it and try again in a better economy and when pilots finally have some negotiating power? It's obviously their choice; I'm just putting it out there.

Ok got your anonymous place of employment mixed up. Woops. I guess in your eyes that leaves the door open for a personal attack. Keep thumping your chest big anonymous tough guy. Not only is there no truth to what you mention it just makes you look bad.

I'll just stick with the facts thanks. How about this one: the fact that the FO who just left today was never even given the opportunity to operate an aircraft as PIC despite thousands of hours of mentoring speaks volumes regarding the quality of that mentorship. I personally would never want to see someone's development stagnate or ruin ones profesional reputation based on rumor, notably one I had never even met.

That however is just me. Obviously not cut out for this "career."

 

[Ultra Grump]

Point? Will an arbitrator care?

It is a very foolish pilot group that agrees to binding arbitration to determine their next cba.

 

[X-rated]

I know that person well and flew with her often when she first transitioned into the X. I always enjoyed flying with her because she worked hard and had a great attitude. Attitude goes a long way, and from what I hear, has been your downfall. But, that's just rumor even though it's been passed on by many people I know and respect. I've never met you, but I hope you figure out what you want to do and find success in what you choose. You're obviously not a happy camper right now. That's no way to go through life.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.

 

[jtf]

I just don't get why so many of those who were here to fight for the '05 contact aren't willing to make the push right now. They saw what happened when they sat back and did nothing- they got a long wait and then a POSTA. Then they finally got their act together and made it happen fast. Management isn't going to give us anything. They will drag it on as long as they can and get the entire group at the top of their payscales while still raising the management fees and making more profits on our backs. This group needs to pull their head out and make it happen sooner rather than later. We don't need to wait for the economy like many love to say. The economy actually has been growing for many years- maybe not like the mid '90s, but still growing. The company is making serious money now. They will make more and more unless the economy falls off a cliff again

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Mean while back in CGF........good lord you NJA guys really really need to get over yourselves......do you have any idea how you guys sound? im hope you get your 10/250k.....but goodness you make yourselves look like a bunch of pricks.

Goose didn't you interview at NJA? I think you were in my interview class....

If you did and didn't get it then my condolences or congratulations depending on how you look at it due to the furlough, but if I'm right then you wanted to be one of those "pricks" at one point.

I worked the job for almost two years, and it was awesome and a hell of a lot of fun, but I worked my ass off. I enjoyed every minute of it, but there was just way more that went into "getting it done" than I expected and I was continuously impressed with the pilot group for pulling off the nearly impossible every day without hardly a hiccup.

I would add that not only do NJA pilots deserve 10/250, but any pilot at Flex/Options/Shares that does the same job also deserves it.

Just because pilots at those companies may not value themselves as much because they have been continually brow beaten into believing they aren't worth it, doesn't mean they aren't.

So look at it this way, as always NJA is attempting to set the standard and raise the bar. You may benefit from it in the end and should be cheering them on.

It may sound like people are being callus or being a "prick", but we are all in the same industry doing a similar or same job so we should support anything at all that makes our standard of living better in this profession.

Just sayin'.

 

[gunfyter]

Hmmm ...

I was voted Big Prick two years in a row by the pledges at the DKE House during Hell Week when I was in college...

 

[jonjuan]

Hmmm ...

I was voted Big Prick two years in a row by the pledges at the DKE House during Hell Week when I was in college...

Probably same reason they call a midget, "stretch."

 

[Humphreybogart]

I hate to bust your bubble guys, but say goodby to your 5 crew meals each a day and say hello to the 8/6 schedule. It's industry standard now.

 

[gunfyter]

I hate to bust your bubble guys, but say goodby to your 5 crew meals each a day and say hello to the 8/6 schedule. It's industry standard now.

Thanks to you Bogey? :bawling:

 

[fischman]

I hate to bust your bubble guys, but say goodby to your 5 crew meals each a day and say hello to the 8/6 schedule. It's industry standard now.

Appreciate that. Thanks for bringing us down.

It'll never happen. There is a 0% chance that will even get put in front of the membership for a vote.

 

[jtf]

I don't even remember the last time I saw anyone ordermore than two meals.